02:22 <elderK> Hey guys, nvidia-settings seems to missing at least two dependencies: libvdpau and jansson

14:31 <cruxbot> [opt.git/3.6]: scite: update to 5.1.5

14:31 <cruxbot> [opt.git/3.6]: dialog: update to 1.3-20211107

16:33 <stenur> i see smearing stripes in firefox-bin, does anyone else know about this? likely kernel, maybe, not freetype what i thought. hm.

16:57 <stenur> btw i also saw the youtube-dl download throttling, while i see hardcore NetBSD people talking about successful switch to yt-dlp

18:18 <cruxbot> [opt.git/3.6]: nvidia: updated to version 470.82.00

18:18 <cruxbot> [compat-32.git/3.6]: nvidia-32: updated to version 470.82.00

20:56 <elderK> Moin all :)

20:56 <elderK> stenur: I'm getting that problem, too with Firefox. Say, when I right-click and open a menu.

21:24 <stenur> elderK: with this i915, in the past, after first startup in X, there was a short single flush, today i had multiple thereof. Maybe kernel. Though nothing to be seen in between 5.10.76 and .78 regarding this directly. As still the broken "setterm blank setting forgotten" is open .. i only hope my laptop keeps on going

21:25 <elderK> Do you guys ever get packaging fatigue?

21:26 <elderK> I want to build a port. But then I realize how many damned dependencies the port has. And I start, but quickly get tired.

21:26 <elderK> I have learned to be minimalistic: I only go through the port process if I really, really, really need something.

21:27 <elderK> This isn't a slight on Crux, though. You realize the cost of things much more when you are the one that has to build or package something.

21:28 <GazL> elderK: I'm pretty much used to building my own packages from 25 odd years+ with Slackware, so CRUX doesn't phase me.

21:29 <elderK> I'm used to building packages, too, it's just man, some stuff has so many dependencies. It would take days to build all the necessary ports.

21:29 <GazL> ... though my minimal tendencies also help keep the workload down.

21:30 <GazL> Yep. I can appreaciate that. Thankfully for me, there's not that much stuff like that I need.

21:31 <elderK> I've been trying to build some source ports for games. Most are pretty minimal but some are insane.

21:31 <elderK> It just makes me think, meh. Reboot into Windows. I don't really care THAT much if the game is run on Linux. It'd be nice but meh.

21:32 <elderK> Some dependencies, too, you're not sure if all functionality is required. Say openscenegraph. It requires a LOT of stuff. And the optional dependencies it has, require lots of stuff. So you're like, hey, do I really NEED to build in that optional stuff. But you don't know. Not unless you are very familiar with the game's source itsllef.

21:33 <elderK> I guess the answer there is to build everything minimal, no optionals, and try the game. If it fails, loop back and start adding stuff that it requires.

21:35 <GazL> I'm not much of a gamer these days. Kind of burnt myself out on MMO's like Ultima Online, Everquest and WoW.

21:35 <elderK> Fair enough :) UO was great.

21:35 <GazL> Kor Por! ;)

21:36 <elderK> Sometimes I wonder how hard it would be to set up a private server of sorts so my girlfriend and I could play UO.

21:37 <GazL> I played it in the very early days, before moving to Everquest. I didn't really keep in touch with how it developed over the years.

21:47 <pedja> talk about applications with vast number of deps :)

21:50 <pedja> I think I wrote about 1000+ ports in 10+ years I've used CRUX

21:52 <pedja> in 3+ years I've been using openSUSE Leap, I wrote maybe 5 spec files :)

21:54 <elderK> Iono. I don't have the time I used to, to spend writing ports. But I refuse to leave Crux behind because I love it :)

21:57 <elderK> Like, there are so many things I need to learn about making ports. Like, finding out all the dependencies. There has to be a better way than reading the makefiles and stuff.

21:58 <elderK> I could spin up a chroot or an image for each port I make, but then I'd spend a lot of time rebuilding deps and stuff each time I created a new port.

22:03 <GazL> The way I approach it is just to run ./configure and see what it complains about...

22:04 <GazL> Then afterwards I just readelf -d |grep needed on all the executables it creates to see what it links against.

22:59 <elderK> Aye, me too.

22:59 <elderK> Python stuff annoys me because I find it hard to find their deps.

23:40 <cruxbot> [contrib.git/3.6]: wine-staging: updated to version 6.21