00:56 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c133> yep, that’s what I plan to test tomorrow, but I’m not expecting it to work yet… who knows whether Lenovo sets up UEFI correctly

00:58 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <infinity_q> maaan I wish I had one

01:01 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c133> qualcomm folks even gave a talk about how they want to expand devicetree…https://eoss24.sched.com/event/1aBFy/shipping-multiple-devicetrees-how-to-identify-which-dtb-is-for-my-board-elliot-berman-qualcomm

09:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <petingoso> Hmm I just had a thought

09:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <petingoso> Armbian has an auto update for apt every day right? Would that long term be bad for NAND? I tried to remove all issues that could do that and I think I'm only missing that (logging and frequent written files are on an external, replaceable SD card)

09:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <petingoso> Hmm I just had a thought

09:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <petingoso> Armbian has an auto update for apt every day right? Would that long term be bad for NAND flash? I tried to remove all issues that could do that and I think I'm only missing that (logging and frequent written files are on an external, replaceable SD card)

09:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> The new download page is a big improvement! I think one little change is missing. Instead of calling it "Armbian Linux 6.1" it should be "Armbian-Rockchip 6.1" and the "Edge" should be "Upstream Edge". Any image where there isn’t a "custom" kernel on the armbian repo shouldn’t be called "Armbian Linux". If it’s a vendor kernel it should be "Vendor Linux"

10:59 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> "vendor linux" is heavily modified too. Ain't vendor anymore 😉 So its hard to decide what is right, but yes that information has to be added. There will be more changes to the download pages shortly.

11:22 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> x13s definitely needs the DTB. We've `grub-with-dtb` extension for that purpose

11:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> Patches are a blessing, I just think as an enduser it would be great to know where the "base" comes from.

11:39 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <efectn> i think we can add short description to show diff between kernel versions per family

12:00 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> yes, agree, that part we need to add somehow

12:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Maybe we could also think about the internal naming scheme `legacy`, `current` and `edge` so the name better reflects the use case?

12:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> When I first joined Armbian, it took me quite a while to understand that `legacy` was a vendor kernel and is veeerry different than the `edge` kernel 😂

12:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> I think the `vendor` naming like it is for rk3588 is quite nice since you know directly from the name what it is. `current` could maybe be renamed to `lts` or something like that to reflect that this is (in 95% of cases) an LTS kernel and will keep receiving security updates? 🤔

12:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Just an opinion though. The names are probably standing for many many years now and probably some people would be annoyed by a change 😅

12:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <efectn> it'd be a good change but it seems breaking-change to me even you provide Replaces when building the package

13:11 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> it's down?

13:11 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/arm64/base-files/download

13:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> base-files is frequenctly down at both Debian and Ubuntu repos. Kind of annoying

13:27 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> how i can put no limits of retry on build?

13:27 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I don't think so. I'd simply retry later

13:28 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/6763

13:32 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> It's done, i finally compiled the image

13:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Probably 🥲 We would need to think about the impact of a change like this

15:19 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> We have a few cases that are out of standard:

15:19 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - `xu4`'s `current` kernel is actually a vendor kernel

15:19 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - most `legacy` kernels are actually vendor kernels

15:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - I pushed for 3588's 6.1 to be named `vendor`

15:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - changes to LINUXFAMILY cause changes to package names which are absolutely non-trivial upgrade-path-wise (welcome anyone that understands the pipelines to publish packages & Igor's aptly stuff)

15:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> We have a few cases that are out of standard:

15:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - `xu4`'s `current` kernel is actually a vendor kernel

15:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - most `legacy` kernels are actually vendor kernels

15:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - I pushed for 3588's 6.1 to be named `vendor` but now seems I made it worse

15:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - changes to LINUXFAMILY cause changes to package names which are absolutely non-trivial upgrade-path-wise (welcome anyone that understands the pipelines to publish packages & Igor's aptly stuff)

15:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> We have a few cases that are out of standard:

15:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - `xu4`'s `current` kernel is actually a vendor kernel

15:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - most `legacy` kernels are actually vendor kernels

15:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - I pushed for 3588's 6.1 to be named `vendor` but now seems I made it worse

15:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - changes to LINUXFAMILY cause changes to package names which are absolutely non-trivial upgrade-path-wise (welcome anyone that understands the pipelines to publish packages & Igor's aptly stuff)

15:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - `rk35xx` family and `rockchip-rk3588` BOARDFAMILY are mostly the same LINUXFAMILY but defined separately

15:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <rpardini> - `rockchip64` has no `legacy` nor `vendor` and adding it makes the above worse

15:44 <TheSHADOW> Howdy. I need to upgrade the kernels on a fair-sized number of deployed machines and would rather not manually hit each one. Can someone tell me what the command line for automating armbian-config to update kernel to 6.1 please?

15:51 <TheSHADOW> Okay, got to automate it up to the confirmation, now I have to get it past that, and I'm wading through the code looking to see if I can figure out how to get past that point... :-P

15:59 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> hi/hello.

15:59 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> What is te cheap & cli-compatible device working linux?

15:59 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> I'm doing some stuff on unsopported TV-Box, but it not seems good...

15:59 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> If anyone knows other supported (community) device for atleast 25$, i will very greatful

16:03 <TheSHADOW> How cheap is the question.

16:04 <TheSHADOW> Potato is cheap... Raspberry Pi Zero is even cheaper. How fast, how many features do you need?

16:10 <TheSHADOW> Le Potato is only $30 on Amazon right now. I don't recall if Armbian supports it.

16:11 <TheSHADOW> Looks like it does.

16:12 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> stay away from tvboxes. any board listed on downloads is better than the "best" tvbox out there.

16:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Honestly I personally loooove the `vendor` name.

16:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> But yeah I know this, sometimes design choices are regretted later because their impact wasn't forseen 😅

16:30 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Also to this day I don't fully understand the difference between LINUXFAMILY and BOARDFAMILY. I only know that one of them defined which family config file is loaded

16:30 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Maybe we should put a description in the docs 😅

16:34 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> To fix the upgrade path, maybe the "last" kernel package can change the package name when someone updates it? I know there is a way to change e.g. from current to edge in some config file. Maybe this way we could also change the "future" package names?

16:35 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> Also, a funny similar problem: sun50iw9 is a sunlong kernel. But sun50iw9-bpi is a mainline.

16:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Some of this naming is insane 😆

16:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> Yep, I absolutely hate it. But I'm afraid nothing I can do about other than complain

16:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> I tried to get into the sun50*** kernels once, but noped right out of there again 😅

17:03 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <petingoso> What's the purpose?

17:03 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <petingoso> You could even use a VM if the requirement is "runs Linux" but if you need a server or an SBC, its different

17:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> it's for make a home server

17:05 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> like valtwarden, home assistant, pi hole...

17:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <petingoso> That doesn't seem too heavy

17:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <petingoso> A cheap SBC with 1 GB ram should do the trick

18:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> I think what is better make a small pc for ~50$ using aliexpress old cpu's, motherboard...

18:25 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> or look this;

18:25 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> - https://amso.eu/es/products/ordenadores/tipo-de-caja-de-ordenador/micro-mini/terminal-10zig-44xx-atom-e3825-2x1-33ghz-4gb-ram-32gb-ssd-fuente-de-alimentacion-204011

18:25 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> - https://amso.eu/es/products/ordenadores/tipo-de-caja-de-ordenador/micro-mini/terminal-fujitsu-fur-s720-amd-gx-222gc-2x2-2ghz-2gb-ram-2gb-ssd-fuente-de-alimentacion-251180

18:54 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> Finally i bought this https://amso.eu/en/products/computers/case/micro-mini/lenovo-thinkcentre-m910q-g4400t-2x2-9ghz-8gb-ram-in-one-module-259720

19:14 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> its 👍 or 👎?

20:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> It's very old, uses lots of power compared to a recent SBC, has a big case compared to an SBC and is probably not quiet (passively cooled).

20:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> If you don't mind that, then it's good. It also has better compatibility since it's x86.

20:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> But for under 50$ you can already get an older raspberry pi or some of the chinese SBCs that do not have the problems mentioned above, but will have lacking compatibility compared to x86 (if it's well supported e.g. by Armbian, you won't really notice though)

22:18 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <koutsie> 👋 loong time no talk.

22:18 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <koutsie> whats up with peeps here