00:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> That's weird.

00:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> I wonder if armbian-hardware-optimize is doing it. Strictly a guess

00:27 <TRS-80> It's nice to see the night shift still comes around on schedule. :)

00:31 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Haha good to see you man

00:32 <TRS-80> You too, brudda! How's things?

00:32 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Things are good enough. Nothing too crazy

00:33 <TRS-80> All a man can ask for some times. It can always be worse. lol

00:33 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Truth

00:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> You had time to hack on anything fun recently?

00:38 <TRS-80> I made some progress on my homelab and home automation stuff (slowly).

00:39 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Sweet. My stuff is in shambles right now. Needs a rebuild

00:39 <TRS-80> We have a button in the living room now with a sign "press button for dad joke." It's one of our favorite automations!

00:39 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Haha

00:39 <TRS-80> In your case it's probably like the shoemaker's family, I suppose. Amirite?

00:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Lol pretty much. Although these days I have been doing more talking than teching at work. The stuff at home is supposed to keep me honest

00:41 <TRS-80> Aah, moving up in the world! Don't worry about it, enjoy your success. :)

00:42 <TRS-80> https://icanhazdadjoke.com/api

00:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Yeah I had a relapse back into management lol

00:42 <TRS-80> I don't know where I came across that, but once I realized they had an API it was all downhill. :D

00:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Lol that's pretty fun

00:43 <TRS-80> It was actually pretty fun. I taught the boy what an API is and we made a simple shell script and then puts the output through TTS in Home Assistant to the living room speakers.

00:44 <TRS-80> Oh yeah and my mulit-room audio is coming along nicely. Even can cut in with sounds and announcements and then resume the state of whatever was playing.

00:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Oh that's sweet what are you using for that?

00:45 <TRS-80> Mopidy as source -Snapcast for the synchronized

00:45 <TRS-80> bah

00:46 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> I'm getting closer to deploying mopidy on something

00:46 <TRS-80> Mopidy as source -> Snapcast for the synchronized audio -> RPi -> HiFiBerry AMP HATs -> speakers

00:46 <TRS-80> (various) RPi

00:46 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> I'm close to have a good reason

00:46 <TRS-80> It does handle more back ends than mpd, that's why I went with it.

00:49 <TRS-80> My recent success with the multi-room stuff then motivated me to get into MusicBrainz Picard and started organizing my music collection, which in turn led me to actually connect the NAS with the music on it to the box where Mopidy runs, so now we can also play our local music files.

00:50 <TRS-80> You seen all the advancements made in Home Assistant with voice and assist recently? It's pretty amazing. So now the library is properly organized, I can probably do local voice assistant to play a specific song or playlist (I suppose this is the end goal, not there yet).

00:50 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> I haven't been tracking. My hass version is 2021.12 I need to overhaul

00:51 <TRS-80> I was on a really old version until very recently as well. Finally bit the bullet and read everything and upgraded. And actually from a venv to a Docker install at the same time! You would be proud! :)

00:51 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> There was a breaking change that required me to update tasmota on a bunch of things when I couldn't do it at the same and I fell off the maintenance wagon

00:52 <TRS-80> Oh yeah, I also got into Zigbee! I think that was actually a game changer for me in general.

00:53 <TRS-80> So much easier to provision devices. No more flashing custom firmware. And they just work (almost always). Local by it's nature, etc.

00:53 <TRS-80> All os a sudden I have like 60 Zigbee devices now. lol

00:56 <TRS-80> I also got into ESPHome for the first time. Come to think of it I guess I have actually accomplished a lot. :D

01:01 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Hahaha yeah I'd say so

01:02 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <lanefu> Zigbee seems to be doing well. Years back I got off the zwave train and at the time wifi based just seemed like the most reliable path

01:04 <TRS-80> Some people still swear by it (Wi-Fi I mean).

01:05 <TRS-80> But yeah, Zigbee seems to have the momentum these days. Lots of devices, relatively inexpensive. Usually works pretty well (if you take care about advice setting up a good network.

01:06 <lanefu> I've got AP's in my outbuildings so my coverage is good for wifi stuff

01:07 <lanefu> but zigbee does look cool for wireless sensors.. although seems like i can get those 400mhz or whatever wireless sensors too and have a bridge

01:08 <TRS-80> I always read that 'network congestion' argument and that's why I went Zigbee. But lately I was talking to a guy who said he has 50+ ESPHome devices on an old crappy ISP router and it works fine, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

01:09 <TRS-80> Yeah it's pretty amazing to me that you can get some device like a motion sensor to last a year or two on a coin cell.

01:10 <TRS-80> I had a really bad time with cheap 400mhz devices early on, cannot recommend. There is no ack (like Zigbee, or Wi-Fi) so the signal gets tx and then maybe the device gets it, maybe not, but who knows, it's a mystery!

01:11 <TRS-80> it's OK though, just press the button a few times, it will eventually work! Very high WAF (NOT!).

01:13 <TRS-80> Compared to the old 400mhz stuff, Zigbee is rock solid reliable. lol And not even that much more (maybe like $1-2 per node).

01:15 <lanefu> that's pretty good. i might have to rig up a zigbee bridge for setting up new door sensors

01:16 <TRS-80> Not to over-sell it, but Zigbee is an actual IEEE protocol (and you know how much I like that, lol). But seriously, it was designed explicitly for low power, low bandwidth, low latency traffic (which is almost the exact opposite of Wi-Fi, and perfect for things like sensors and actuators). It is neat technology IMO.

01:16 <TRS-80> Yeah you can get into it pretty cheap and see for yourself.

01:18 <TRS-80> There are some recommendations around, make sure you take care to follow those. I mean, maybe you get lucky and don't need to, but some times I read about people having a bad time. The tl;dr is check for Wi-Fi channel overlap, deploy a good backbone first (mains powered devices), etc.

01:19 <TRS-80> I can vouch for those ThirdReality smart plugs on Amazon 4 pack. They are cheap enough I don't even bother ordering from AliExpress any more. lol

01:20 <lanefu> what are you using for the zigbee bridge

01:21 <TRS-80> I was just looking that up actually lol

01:22 <TRS-80> Probably anything recommended from https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/

01:26 <TRS-80> Looks like I bought SLZB-06 back in 2023 (around this time in fact). I think there are more devices available now. But it's a nice device and works great. A lot of people get those little USB dongles and I just can't see how that is supposed to work well. I mean, just the PCB antenna alone seems like a joke to me for proper radio propagation.

01:28 <TRS-80> Back then this was the only one you could actually get (all the others being small batch jobs from individual makers). What I like about it is big external antennae, PoE (or USB-C), proper power separation, etc. It just seems like such a more well thought out and better engineered device than some cheap USB dongle. Anyway there are more like that now, and newer ones, but that gives you an idea what to look for.

01:29 <TRS-80> I think there are newer chips as well, and development also progressed on those.

01:33 <TRS-80> https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/zigbee/02_improve_network_range_and_stability.html in case you have trouble but there was another one I was thinking of

01:37 <TRS-80> OK, now Hedda can be a bit much but if you really need to go down the rabbit hole for any reason, you will not find a more comprehensive resource than https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zigbee-networks-how-to-guide-for-avoiding-interference-optimize-using-zigbee-router-devices-repeaters-extenders-to-get-a-stable-mesh-network-with-best-possible-range-and-coverage/515752

01:38 <TRS-80> Luckily, that shouldn't be neccessary. And the essence of it has apparently been distilled into the first link I posted. So don't be overwhelmed by it.

01:43 <TRS-80> This is short, but kind of important: https://support.metageek.com/hc/en-us/articles/203845040-ZigBee-and-Wi-Fi-Coexistence

01:43 <TRS-80> Other than that, just make sure you have enough 'router' (mains powered) devices and you should be fine for starters.

01:52 <lanefu> hmmm i kind of use all the channels because multiple APs

01:52 <lanefu> but i mean 2.4 space is crowded anyway

01:53 <TRS-80> Yeah I had imagined that actually when you said you have APs everywhere.

01:53 <TRS-80> I just used Wi-Fi analyzer on Android and set it as best as I could and it's been fine.

01:54 <TRS-80> after walking all around the house with that I mean

01:55 <TRS-80> That was always the selling point of Z0Wave (it's like 800mhz) but there are a lot less devices and they are more expensive. But some (a few) people swear by those.

01:55 <TRS-80> s/Z0Wave/Z-Wave/

01:55 <ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: That was always the selling point of Z-Wave (it's like 800mhz) but there are a lot less devices and they are more expensive. But some (a few) people swear by those.

01:56 <lanefu> there's a whole new zwave stack for hass since I bailed on it, it's support is suppose to be rock solid, but yeah the devices always seemed pricey

01:56 <lanefu> but i've only seen a motion + dimmerswitch come in zwave

01:56 <lanefu> which was dope for the bathroom

01:59 <TRS-80> mmWave is where it's at nowadays for 'presence' (N.B.: not 'motion')

01:59 <TRS-80> since you said bathroom, lol

01:59 <TRS-80> no more waving your arms around when the lights go out lol

02:01 <lanefu> ah right that's the whole PIR thing right

02:01 <TRS-80> no, PIR = oldschool motion detectors (like alarm system)

02:01 <TRS-80> work great, very fast, but cannot detect when you are sitting still

02:02 <TRS-80> mmWave can

02:02 <lanefu> sounds edible

02:03 <TRS-80> even mmWave came a long way already in a year or two: prices came down, support increased, etc.

02:04 <TRS-80> I only gave one operational mmWave and am wating for more I ordered weeks ago to continue my evaluations. But the one I have works great for setecting me at my desk.

02:04 <TRS-80> s/gave/have/

02:04 <ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: I only have one operational mmWave and am wating for more I ordered weeks ago to continue my evaluations. But the one I have works great for setecting me at my desk.

02:05 <TRS-80> s/setecting/detecting/

02:05 <ArmbianHelper> TRS-80 meant to say: I only gave one operational mmWave and am wating for more I ordered weeks ago to continue my evaluations. But the one I have works great for detecting me at my desk.

02:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> sup TRS-80

03:03 <TRS-80> Aaaaand the late late crew shows up, also right on schedule. :)

14:08 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> if i'm running ProxMox on my ARM hardware (Orange Pi 5 w/ PVE 8.2.4), I assume the best armbian build would be the QEMU ARM64 community-build, would that be correct, or should I target the same chipset?

14:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> qemu image is for being used within an emulated environment. Best image for you would be opi5 cli image

15:01 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> so create a new VM and install the cli image?

15:02 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i'd have thought the Qemu image would make more sense for running *in Qemu*, but i'm not entirely sure what the difference between the oPi5 cli image and the Qemu image *is*

15:03 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I think there is some misunderstanding here. You are correct, qemu image is for running in qemu, an emulated environment to say ;). opi5 cli image is for the host. Of the hypervisor in your case.

15:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> ah yeah, i'm looking to run it *in* a VM, the host already runs Armbian!

15:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> alright, yeah, then go for qemu image or generic uefi if the hypervisor supports it.

15:05 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> any particular preference either way? hypervisor definitely supports UEFI

15:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I'd simply try both and keep the one that fits/works better

16:16 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> generic UEFI worked, had to disregard PVE wanting it to have an EFI disk but it's otherwise booted, time to convert to a container!

16:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> is it normal for minimal images to not actually include `armbian-config`?

16:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> yES

16:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> yes

16:25 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> If you need it install via apt

16:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> awesome, final question *hopefully*, on-login, systemd spits an error:

16:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> `memfd_create() called without MFD_EXEC or MFD_NOEXEC_SEAL set`

16:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> is this anything to be concerned about?

16:31 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> um...never seen that one before

16:32 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i assume KVM/Qemu is to blame, i'll ignore it and press on