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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Hello, I'm new here.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> I have a brand new Orange Pi 5 Ultra board, it is using RK3588 chip, with specifications that are a little bit different than Orange Pi 5 Max or Orange Pi 5 Plus which are already supported by Armbian.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> I wonder how to add Armbian support for this board, unfortunately I don't think I have enough free time to be a maintainer for the board. I'm ready to test Armbian builds on my board though, whenever someone ready to maintain support for this board.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Did you already try to simply change the to a other DTB when using a other washing powder naming thing like here https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/main/config/boards/orangepi5-max.csc , change line BOOT_FDT_FILE="rockchip/rk3588-orangepi-5-max.dtb" to what you need and build vendor
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Did you already try to simply change the DTB to a other when using a other washing powder naming thing like here https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/main/config/boards/orangepi5-max.csc , change line BOOT_FDT_FILE="rockchip/rk3588-orangepi-5-max.dtb" to what you need and build vendor
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> By adding ultra and max, this influences many a purchase decision which model but vendor DTS should hardly be different or only minimal changes to wash it cleaner
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> By adding ultra and max, this influences many at a purchase decision which model but vendor DTS should hardly be different or only minimal changes to wash it cleaner
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> The only difference between Max and Ultra is that Max has 2 HDMI output, meanwhile Ultra has 1 HDMI output + 1 HDMI input
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Is there any specific config I need to add with that difference? Or can I simply just copy-paste from Max and replace "Max" with "Ultra"?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> With all these max and ultras you can sometimes lose track, sorry
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> If you already got a DTB then you can simply use it and change armbian boot env
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> There should be not much difference check vendor DTS
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> IDK if they got a git or if this is merged into armbian kernel already
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Don't seem to be in armbian rockchip kernel , well you need their DTS or a already compiled DTB
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gambl0r> `Alternatives with better software support`
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gambl0r> ruthless
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gambl0r> I like it
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> You are welcome
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> That day my ex finally moved out i had high hopes to get rid of lot of ultra max things , damn man i was so wrong
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> I got the DTS (and the DTB),
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> but in that commit, seems like I need to get the `defconfig`, like this one: https://github.com/armbian/build/blob/main/patch/u-boot/legacy/u-boot-radxa-rk35xx/defconfig/orangepi-5-max-rk3588_defconfig
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Where can I get that?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> I have the original kernel config from my `/boot` partition, can I extract the `defconfig` out from that?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> I have the original kernel config from my `/boot` partition, can I extract the `defconfig` out from that?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Current kernel version on my board is 6.1.43
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gambl0r> You probably want the current .config file to use as defconfig
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gambl0r> Just looked at this so called orangepi5 ultra. Nice hardware (on paper)
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gambl0r> Wouldn't touch anything orangepi though, snake oil salespeople
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gambl0r> $200AUD + $20 shipping
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> I actually considered Rock 5C last month, but I can't found any store that would ship it to my country
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Not even AliExpress
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> And there is no one that sells Radxa boards here, somehow. Pathetic.
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> What country?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Has anyone seen new Radxa Orion O5?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Has anyone seen new Radxa Orion O6?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Im wondering, if more then a year ago now, ive been told here that rockchip has the best possible chances out of any boards to mainlining, then this orion o5 is crap anyhow you look at it?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Indonesia
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Take a boat trip ffs 😛
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> yes amazingfate from armbian has one, best to checkout the Radxa forum. We’re probably going to see something in video form from Jeff Geerling soon too (he mentioned he received his on the side on his recent vid)
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Im joking
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> How is it possible that aliexpress ships worldwide and not to a neighbour?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> First time hearing that
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> The difference is that Cix (the SoC manufacturer of Orion) wants to apparently start upstream themselves this year. Rockchip upstreaming was a collabora effort bc they saw demand in their customers and invested into supporting that so more customers would come to them
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> If RK3588 is years old now, when do you imagine that this Cix SoC will be where RK3588 is now?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> I still cant believe im in the club talking about this stuff
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Were the chosen ones
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> Collabora has to do a lot of reverse engineering bc Rockchip is barely a help. Cix made the chip and seems to have competent people on their software team too
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> You believe Cix is better then Rockchip?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Never heard of them
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> Compared to Rockchip they’re aiming for the standards. They’re a new company with backing from major companies
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Thanks for explanation 😛
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Im literally noone wondering about these cutting edge stuff that I cant talk with anyone with....
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> Cix already has better mainline support than RockChip ever will
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Ive never heard of them. What are their products for me to check?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Ive never heard of them. What are their other products for me to check?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> Only one commercially available is in the Radxa Orion O6
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> its their first ever product
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Where are you reading news about stuff like this?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Im reading phoronix... And for a first ever SoC from a company to be better supported then a rockchip, thats again a first for me.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Most people will have probably seen this dude where is my car movie and know the and then scene well
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <nagatoronyan> If you check the resume of Cix tech founder, you will find that he worked at AMD for 14 years and was responsible for developing Xbox CPU.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> what a resume
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> This is also what the careers of many politicians look so
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <nagatoronyan> So I hope he can bring AMD's culture of embracing open source to Cix.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> And everyone knows that faster is not always better. Even World Snail Day enthusiasts achieve some goals
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Can't wait to have Cix boards available here in my country, especially when they give much better softwafe support than what Rockchip ever did
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Raspberry Pi here somehow too overpriced
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> thats before counting dumb customs tax here
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <the1stway> Can't wait to have Cix boards available here in my country, especially when they give much better software support than what Rockchip ever did
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Nobody who needs functioning software and hardware for professional reasons would rely on it , proof first and proof need more time as marketing
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> To me, putting someone there who was responsible for Xbox actually just seems more like marketing to consciously want to appeal to certain target groups, the game kid nerds and it would be new to me those dudes know what the heck is going on
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> they haven't "put him there", it was his decision to leave AMD and found Cix
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Popcorn is cheap thees days and got time
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> BTW we still call a XBOX until this day a gaming console not a computer and it's same with TV boxe's
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Nice, I didn't know that, thanks a lot. To me personally, that looks like real science that people would like to invest in
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it's a games console because it doesn't run a general purpose OS, that's all
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Innovation are interchangeable parts and have actually been standard for motherboards for several years, where you can at least change the CPU and RAM as well as various other components without having the need to do a soldering technology course
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Dude worked at AMD I see
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> You need solder skillz to replace RAM on a XBOX , well even with jailbreak it's still a console
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Now please excuse me, I would like to calculate how many percent an ultimate flat earth guru could be sure of how flat it actually is
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> granted what are you going to change the SOC on this thing with?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> theres no socket standardized in the entire ARM world
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> All I wish right now is getting panvk on a great shape and we are on the best way ever to archive it then let's see
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <shivansps> well
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <shivansps> it looks like CIX is providing a graphics stack with libmali and mesa zink, giving Vulkan 1.3, OpenGL 4.0 and OpenGL ES 3.2 support from day 1
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> it seems like a nice platform if they deliver on promises...aka actually mainline stuff
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> but as for Rockchip i wouldnt buy any of their stuff ever again
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> SOCs without a future
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <shivansps> libmali + Vulkan + zink even works on the 3588?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> A man of science never move on until at least the basic science is done on the previous project hehe LOL xD
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <q4a> panfrost + Vulkan + zink works on rk3588
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <q4a> (early mesa git tests)
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> i like this comment " 2025 is going to be a great year for the RK3588."
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> rk3588 reveal date: april 2018
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> 2025 - 2018 = 7
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> 7 years to get this working somewhat reasonably 😄
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> These world snail day enthusiasts are everywhere Pinky but tomorrow is a new day , narf
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <shivansps> lol zink running on a half baked vulkan driver is better than panfrost
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> didnt first products get released by 2020? So 5 at best
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <shivansps> so the prebuild armbian images without the MESA/VPU are the ones that in theory we can install libmali and run mesa zink on a proper vulkan driver?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> who cares when they got released
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> the point is they had all the time in the world to figure out all of it
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> 2 years before 2020
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> well how is somebody do anything on top of the platform when it wasn’t available
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> who's somebody?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> we're talking about the vendors here
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> I have to admit that I've never done this science before, but it sounds like fun, let's go
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> you cant launch something and expect community to take care of it lol
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> this never leads anywhere
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> the vendors are just repackaging rockchip sdk
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> i was talking about rockchip and arm
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> GPU is ARMs fault
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> the rest of the SOC is rockchips fault
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> in theory yes but I had the most stable results getting the mesa-vpu image and just disabling the panthor overlay.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> the zink part I'm trying to get working but I wasn’t able to run modern minecraft on top of it
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <q4a> rk3588 released in 2022
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> Interesting. PanVK can't run AetherSX2 or RPCS3 natively (it just crashes), yet it can do both via Zink?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> I wonder what it would take to make libmali on rk3588 to run Zink, if only for the hell of it.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> sorry it was 2019 not 2018
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> see article date
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> it doesnt really matter when it got released to market. all that time could be invested in software development instead of relying on others
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> but i dont know, maybe some people see value in having nice hardware they cant use or only be able to do so when product is obsolete
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> I was trying to get it running like this
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> ```
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=zink VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/mali.json __EGL_VENDOR_LIBRARY_FILENAMES=/usr/share/glvnd/egl_vendor.d/50_mesa.json glxinfo
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> ```
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> but this wasn’t enough, looking forward to how they’ve done it on the Orion image so we can maybe replicate
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> If that image is shipped with a WSI layer prebuilt by ARM, that would make things somewhat easier. We don't have one, and the sources we've got are nothing close to what ARM ships as a prebuilt... It's a miracle we can run anything at all, really.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> that might explain why I'm getting no display error
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> That said... Do we have a link to their system image? Might be worth dissecting.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> Ah, OK, I guess those are here: https://docs.radxa.com/en/orion/o6/download#bios--os-images
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> I'll take a quick look soon.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> Hm, well well well...
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> ```
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 258432 Jan 24 10:46 libVkLayer_window_system_integration.so
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1699 Jan 24 10:46 VkLayer_window_system_integration.json
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> ```
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gin_kage> OK, well, seems useless for our cause. Basically the open-source level of support, with all the same bugs. So, I guess, all the tweaks were in the libmali itself, unfortunately.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Closed source libmali image , world first ARM open source motherboard yay
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Now I understand this Orion, you shake your head so quickly that your muscles will eventually be sufficient for hyperspace flights, nice man