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<kanavin> rburton, python 3.13 throws 'illegal instruction' in armv5 (but not regular arm or arm64)
<kanavin> rburton, how can I quickly get to the bottom of it, if you know?
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<RP> kanavin: is there a kernel message triggered? sometimes those can help
<rburton> kanavin: throw a gdb on it
<kanavin> rburton, yes :) just was wondering if I can get that more directly as gdb is pretty heavy-handed
<kanavin> RP: will check
<rburton> dmesg might be useful but iirc it doesn't actually show the value of the IP which is annoying
<pbiel> Hi guys, do you avoid using GPL-3 software running on your products? If so how do you handle e.g. libstdc++, do you use it or replace with libc++?
<kanavin> pbiel, libstdc++ has a special exception that exempts you from fulfilling gpl obligations
<kanavin> pretty much everyone does not think there's a problem
<pbiel> Yes I know, but I'm just curious because our genius product managers are still pushing us to stay away from gpl3 "just in case" so I was wondering what does it look like in other companies
<kanavin> show these links to them
<pbiel> I'll do this
<pbiel> thansk
<kanavin> they're probably not aware of the 'gcc exception' or similar exceptions in other components
<kanavin> if you do have a pure gpl3 component, such as bash, you do need to ensure it's not in the product image
<kanavin> (development and testing image is probably ok)
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<kanavin> rburton, mrc is the offending instruction
<kanavin> they added a bunch of code in 3.13 cycle that wants to use it on all arm
<rburton> 'move register to coprocessor' huh
<rburton> kanavin: can you get a backtrace and identify what bit of python is doing that?
<kanavin> I already have, just need to copy paste from a different machine
<kanavin> or let me just point to git, hold a sec
<rburton> kanavin: intial response is 'disable mimalloc on armv5' :)
<kanavin> rburton, yeah but a) it doesn't explain why mrc ist verboten; b) there's another spot in code where they added it: https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Include/object.h#L195
<kanavin> I can try of course...
<rburton> in fact it shouldn't be used by default at all, apparnetly
<rburton> ah are you trying a build without the GIL?
<kanavin> errrr
<kanavin> I'm just using defaults :)
<rburton> yeah i think he was slightly mistaken there's quite a lot of clauses
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<rburton> welcome to the wonderful world of old arm cores, their crazy instructions, and making qemu and gcc agree
<kanavin> rburton, if you want to play with it https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky-contrib/log/?h=akanavin/package-version-updates
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<kanavin> I guess qemu might be slightly mis-configured?
<kanavin> gcc has nothing to do with it... it's inline assembly from python
<rburton> kanavin: our resident python master is diego.russo@arm.com, feel free to mail him. i've a horrible feeling you'll need to figure out what the mrc call is trying to do and compare the qemu machine
<rburton> the asm might be making assumptions that are not valid for armv5 and it needs to be guarded more
<kanavin> but arm docs say it's all supported everywhere :-/
<kanavin> trying mimalloc disable now
<RP> kanavin: FWIW we're going to "pause" typhoon today so we can power down things and check there is nothing we've missed in the transition to the new data centre
<kanavin> so it's decommissioned entirely?
<RP> kanavin: the aim is to be doing everything on valkyrie, yes
<kanavin> I'll just stop using it then, thanks :)
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<kanavin> I kind of enjoyed being the only one on it :D
<kanavin> pet autobuilder :)
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<RP> kanavin: you'll like the new one, it is much faster
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<kanavin> RP: I wonder where the fastness comes from? more cores, and/or faster disks?
<RP> kanavin: way newer hardware ;-)
<RP> kanavin: even the performance test builds are literally twice as fast (they're not the same hardware as the workers)
<RP> see the weekly status report for links
<kanavin> so I can't use the 'compiling' xkcd comic as often then :)
<RP> kanavin: just tweak rust a bit more often ;-)
<kanavin> yocto is in its own league here
<rburton> kanavin: Diego says please file and bug and send him the link. It might be our problem but it can be discussed there
<rburton> My manager wonders if our qemu is a bit toolimited
<kanavin> rburton, I kinda want to first see which targets qemu thinks support mrc, and which ones do not
<kanavin> it does work fine on qemuarm
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<kanavin> rburton, I do get a python prompt with mimalloc disabled \0/
<kanavin> which means armv5 can't have the shiny new no-gil
<kanavin> mercy me. code archeology is the number one skill with yocto isn't it. They don't teach that anywhere.
<kanavin> new task: how to find mrc support and conditions for it in qemu source tree
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<kanavin> rburton, so where to file the bug? qemu or cpython?
<kanavin> or maybe yocto bugzilla?
<RP> kanavin: start in YP bugzilla and then move if/as/when we find the source of the issue?
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<luc4> Hello! Is there any tutorial/doc on how to install and use plymouth in yocto? I updated from nanbield to scarthgap and I cannot make it work anymore...
<gmorell> /w 2
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<RP> khem: around? there are meta-oe fetch failures it would be good to fix on the AB
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<khem> RP:hmm which recipe is it lemme check
<khem> xmlrpc-c hmm
<RP> khem: when was that merged?
<khem> the error log shows 1.59.01 version so I am assuming it was running on master before today
<khem> this morning
<RP> khem: ok, lets hope that goes away then!
<khem> yep
<khem> RP: I have started a new build - https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org//#/builders/82
<khem> this should tell us
<RP> ok
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<RP> khem: that one seems fixed, failed in eds this time :/ https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org//#/builders/82/builds/9/steps/16/logs/errors
<khem> RP:yeah and I dont understand the fetcher error The URL: 'https://download.gnome.org/sources//evolution-data-server/3.54/evolution-data-server-3.54.0.tar.xz;name=archive' is not trusted and cannot be used
<khem> why is that ? its https URI
<RP> khem: lets rerun it. It might mean it mirrored on the first run in that build but the server jobs didn't catch up
<khem> hmm
<khem> restarted, lets see
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<khem> failed again at same point :(
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<RP> halstead: I think there may be something odd going on with the source mirroring. https://valkyrie.yoctoproject.org/#/builders/82/builds/11/steps/16/logs/stdio - for evolution-data-server-3.54.0.tar.xz
<RP> halstead: that doesn't appear to be making it into the downloads mirror. Or perhaps this is because it is currently checking the mirror from typhoon?
<RP> that might "make sense"
<halstead> RP: The downloads mirror is still at typhoon. I can fix this with an extra sync.
<RP> halstead: I guess it will change soon so it may not be worth it, not sure
<RP> halstead: I paused the typhoon workers earlier while it was quiet btw
<halstead> RP: I saw that when I went to do it this morning. :)
<halstead> RP: I think I'll keep typhoon working until the kirkstone rc is done. Just in case. Yeah?
<RP> halstead: I'd not worry, we're always going to have this problem
<RP> if we delay that release, we delay it
<RP> you've things you need to move forward with...
<halstead> Okay RP. If that's fine I'll just keep moving forward. I suppose we can fix anything we need to without falling back at this point.
<RP> halstead: I suspect we'll have to
<halstead> RP: Cross-geo source mirroring is in progress.
<RP> halstead: thanks!
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