<marlasinger>
Yes, I didn’t take into consideration x.509 and key generation functions, but I meant RCx and DES
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<weaksauce>
not really my area of expertise but you could ask on the mailing list
<weaksauce>
doesn't look like much has changed from 3 to 3.3
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<adam12>
marlasinger: What's missing?
<marlasinger>
RCx and DES in docs of std
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* rapha
wonders where the correct place for reporting or PR'ing something like that would be ... https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ since still no Issues at GH?
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<[0x1eef_]>
rapha: Still redmine. You can open PRs but even then it's better if it links back to a redmine issue.
<adam12>
For doc fixes, I'd just submit a PR to the correct repo.
<adam12>
(ie the OpenSSL discussion above)
<[0x1eef_]>
Agreed.
<adam12>
I still don't follow what's missing but spend very little time in the OpenSSL package.
<[0x1eef_]>
I have no idea what they were talking about.
<adam12>
Tho that said, I did find a issue that said Digest is ~ 5x slower than OpenSSL's version of digesting. So that's interesting.
<[0x1eef_]>
Yeah that's a weird situation.
<rapha>
oh ... one of those who come, say their piece, and part.
* rapha
has quit messages disabled
<[0x1eef_]>
Same.
<adam12>
rapha: How do you find the performance of digesting node_modules?
<adam12>
I'd be thinking of parallelizing it.
<[0x1eef_]>
Why would you digest node_modules ?
<rapha>
adam12: For my 3 yarn packages?? "Faster than I can blink my eye"? :-D
<adam12>
[0x1eef_]: rapha is using it as a no-bundle solution right now, paired with ES modules.
* rapha
is just waiting for the auto importmap feature :-P
<[0x1eef_]>
If you have package-lock.json or similar you could pull the digests from there. But I'm not sure I get the point.
<adam12>
Likely wouldn't work for CJS so you're limited on packages.
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<[0x1eef_]>
Ah I see. For URL digests.
<rapha>
Still haven't figured out how to get Chart.js's ESM module to work unfortunately, adam12. Stuck on UMD there :-/
<adam12>
rapha: Try importing it into the `script` tag that uses it?
<rapha>
And there *is* a problem with threads. Race condition perhaps.
<adam12>
rapha: <script type=module>import Chart from 'chart.js'; new Chart</script> (or whatever it looks like)
* rapha
tries
<[0x1eef_]>
import { Chart } I think it was.
<adam12>
Yeah, I don't know the correct incantation off top of my head, but presumably when importing as ESM it won't add a global to window.
<[0x1eef_]>
import foo from "bar" is for importing the default export (eg export default function foo() {}), where as I think chart exports it as one node of an object (eg export const Chart = {...}).
<[0x1eef_]>
I wouldn't think it'd end up as a global. I've never used an inline script with type=module before.
<adam12>
I'm not sure it's even possible... but I presume it is?
<[0x1eef_]>
I'd guess so
<adam12>
I had to go back and see if I've done it anywhere before.
<adam12>
Looks like it's supported.
<[0x1eef_]>
Nice.
<rapha>
what's the currently preferred way of restarting something when a file changes? both rerun and guard seem to be a little unmaintained now.
<rapha>
god, too. guess none of the programmers from Kentrucky felt good about using it.
<rapha>
er, Kentucky, pardon my french.
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<adam12>
rapha: I use rerun sometimes but lately been using entr
<[0x1eef_]>
nanoc uses listen for its live rebuild feature too.
<[0x1eef_]>
adam12: what is entr?
<adam12>
[0x1eef_]: generic command line watcher/runner
<[0x1eef_]>
I don't have it available.
<[0x1eef_]>
Ah
<adam12>
It accepts paths via stdin which makes it a bit different.
<adam12>
rerun will automatically figure out paths for you
<[0x1eef_]>
Interesting -_-
<adam12>
I bounce between entr and rerun. If it's a ruby project in a container, I normally install rerun or guard. But I always have entr available on a dev machine.
<[0x1eef_]>
Worth checking out. It's been a century since I heard of guard :)
<adam12>
I don't normally use guard but I might use guard-rack.
<adam12>
Since moving off of Roda, I can use Zeitwerk everywhere so that helps. I then bring in listen.
<[0x1eef_]>
Yeah I should do the same. My solution to that in twenty is ^C and restart.
<[0x1eef_]>
Not sure about zeitwerk. I don't mind adding development dependencies that much though.
<[0x1eef_]>
Maybe I'm confused xD does zeitwerk handle reloading?
<adam12>
No. It needs to be paired with listen
<[0x1eef_]>
But it would let constants come into existence without a require?
<adam12>
It basically walks the paths and sets up autoloads'
<[0x1eef_]>
Interesting. Yeah I'm kinda conflicted on that but it's another issue I need to address. Right now I require_relative any dependencies, duplicating them and going in circles too.
<[0x1eef_]>
If ruby-graphql supported lazy type declarations, it wouldn't be an issue.
<adam12>
I go back and forth on it myself. Not having to require internal files is very liberating.
<adam12>
but then it can hide weird bugs. You need to ensure you're testing eager load.
<[0x1eef_]>
Right :(
<adam12>
I usually have a rake task that eager loads and I call that in CI.
<[0x1eef_]>
Makes sense. I wanted something a bit similar, but for rake tasks. 'task :foo => [:bar], lock: true { }', and then running in another process would block.
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* rapha
sometimes wonders why Thor never seems to have taken off
<adam12>
I thought it did? It's been used in a ton of projects I've been involved in
<adam12>
I'm using bake a lot more lately (for no real reason). I like the way bake tasks are distributed for projects.
<[0x1eef_]>
It took me forever to write rake tasks in a way I like. They're usually just calling an action class with any args. Unless the tasks are really simple, then I'd inline them.
<rapha>
My gaze is likely much, much narrower than yours, adam12. Alone from being in Germany where Rails isn't really a thing and Ruby without Rails doubly so.
<adam12>
rapha: That's true. If it helps, I'm almost always the one introducing Ruby into companies.
<rapha>
The fact that I managed to get 2 full-employment jobs in a row that let me do Ruby stuff is a little miracle
<adam12>
And I don't normally introduce Rails anymore.
<rapha>
Oh
<rapha>
Makes me feel veeeery warm and fuzzy :D
<[0x1eef_]>
If this was a formula one race, Ruby would be leading first for quarter of the track, then Python for the second quarter, and there's still half a track left :)
<rapha>
Interesting that you manage to sell them on it
<adam12>
[0x1eef_]: lol interesting analogy.
<rapha>
Companies here usually drown in a sea of legacy things and only want people with 20 years of experience in *their* specific frankenstack, which usually isn't older than 10 years on average.
<adam12>
rapha: Sometimes I get pushback, but often I'm brought on to solve an issue, so I solve it.
<rapha>
Being allowed to solve a problem, period, that's an awesome thing.
<adam12>
rapha: A recent project I did was a control plane for a hardware appliance. Originally I had some pushback because it wasn't using Rust, but we ended up doing a Rust bridge via JSON-RPC and then I hammered out a Sinatra application in a few weeks. It worked fantastic and cut delivery time by months.
<rapha>
"plane"?
<adam12>
I could of done the entire thing without Rust; the Rust portion wasn't necessary, but it had already been written so they wanted to reuse it.
<[0x1eef_]>
panel, probably.
<adam12>
rapha: Control panel
<rapha>
ah
<rapha>
hahah
<rapha>
so then you WERE using Rust and it was all fine
<rapha>
i love company logic
<rapha>
(nothing against Rust, though ... i wish i was intelligent enough to learn it without a gigantic time investment)
<adam12>
Unfortunately, a lot of companies and developers suffer from resume driven development.
<adam12>
Or the MagPie developer of Atwood's writings.
<[0x1eef_]>
Not everyone is technical :) Not to say they're right, but they're stuck in a different perspective.
<rapha>
"resume driven development", that should be made into a t-shirt
<rapha>
in both senses of the word, with é, or with e
<adam12>
We need K8s, Rust + Tokio + whatever, Timescale, etc
<adam12>
I shipped that above solution with Podman, Ruby+Sinatra, and SQLite
<adam12>
heheh
<[0x1eef_]>
I don't have that problem but I think that's a problem in itself. It's easier to use Ruby and have fun, than sit down and learning a language in slow progress.
<rapha>
at my company's client where they currently have me, they now also want to introduce k8s. that would make their bullshit bingo complete. i can't imagine how good of a feeling that must give to the C-level people. *pretty* sure it'll solve *all* their problems.
<rapha>
and then on the other end of the spectrum
<adam12>
I haven't seen a k8s execution pulled off without a lot of pain and a huge timesync
<adam12>
timesink
<adam12>
tho I have seen it have reasonably OK results at the end.
<rapha>
it's amazeballs how much stuff one could do with just sqlite+sequel+ruby+rake and nothing else.
<rapha>
sqlite especially is severely underrated.
<adam12>
The problem with k8s for me historically has been it's not just k8s. They bring in a huge amount of tooling to make k8s work the way they want, and then it's indecipherable and unmaintainable.
<adam12>
Gotta have the helm to drive the argocd to drive the terraform to drive the blah blah blah. YAML on top of YAML.
<[0x1eef_]>
YAML as a programming language.
<adam12>
sqlite should be default reach for a lot of people.
<rapha>
with pretty much any technology that becomes so tailor-swift-level popular, the problem is often the sort of people attracted by it.
<adam12>
I've been loving Kamal. I tried to do the exact same thing a few years ago but got too fancy.
<rapha>
[0x1eef_]: why YAML? PowerPoint has been touring-complete for a long time now!
<adam12>
I'm moving everything from Dokku over.
<caleb>
sqlite in wal2 mode is amazing
<adam12>
I think most companies could get away with just Kamal or Docker Stacks and a smart-ish loadbalancer.
<adam12>
bbl.
<[0x1eef_]>
Just less Linux. Then I'd be happy.
<rapha>
wal2 ftw
<rapha>
and fts5 ftw
<rapha>
m0ar linux all the way ftw too
<rapha>
but not debian from yesteryear and not systemd pls
<caleb>
bedrock actually rather is the best branch. It combines wal2 with concurrent
<caleb>
there's almost no point in running a db server
<rapha>
oh that's new
<rapha>
(to me)
<[0x1eef_]>
systemd is the de facto standard, we lost that battle, we lost the war.
<rapha>
:(
<rapha>
at least there *is* openrc
<[0x1eef_]>
And runit.
<rapha>
and alpinelinux uses it exclusively, which i count for a small win
<rapha>
where is runit used ootb?
<[0x1eef_]>
Void uses runit
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<caleb>
I thought alpine used sysv?
<rapha>
ah, never tried that, perhaps i should
<rapha>
not (anymore?) caleb
<[0x1eef_]>
Void is awesome.
<caleb>
rip
<caleb>
I was thinking about tossing my dokku setup, but instead of moving to kamal, doing the equivalent of a systemd service to run my rails apps on alpine
<caleb>
there's something wonderful about moshing into a server, running htop, and seeing maybe 10 processes
<[0x1eef_]>
Heh true
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<rapha>
indeed
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<adam12>
caleb: I tried that a while ago but dropping Docker just introduced more issues.
<adam12>
runit at the time was awesome. Now I've just embraced systemd.
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<adam12>
8 years ago. Jeez.
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<[0x1eef_]>
Embracing systemd is the practical solution for a lot of reasons.
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<rapha>
adam12: the thing with the lookup not working every 2nd (?) time, i think i might have found a bug there. for some reason, after the 1st time, it tries to look up something like `assets/@hotwired/turbo/dist/turbo.es2017-esm-d06a2adb23.js` as a *key* in the manifest. which of course doesn't work. that's the string that already got returned by asset_path before.
<adam12>
Hmm. That seems odd.
<rapha>
Nah, that can't be a bug in your code. That must be a bug in mine. I just don't see how it could ever reach the call to asset_path with a previous output as the input argument. *scratches head*
<rapha>
ooooooooooh
<rapha>
i got too meta again and misjudged scope
* rapha
slaps his own wrist
<adam12>
lol
<rapha>
(sorry for the false alarm)
<adam12>
rapha: nah it's fine.
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<adam12>
Downside of building out your framework as you go I guess. Lots of things under pressure to change.
<rapha>
(i've become the comment nazi at work, so why not just continue here :P )
<rapha>
and back to JavaScript, my own personal nemesis: `<script type=module>import { Chart } from 'chart.js'; new Chart</script>` doesn't float its boat, either. still `Uncaught ReferenceError: Chart is not defined`. any further ideas, [0x1eef_]?
<adam12>
import Chart from 'chart.js/auto';
<adam12>
(from the docs)
<rapha>
wtf is chart.js/auto? that looks like a URL, no?
<adam12>
It's a path.
<rapha>
but anything that doesn't start with a .?./ or a / by definition can't work, because then the complaint immediately becomes `Uncaught TypeError: The specifier “chart.esm.js/auto” was a bare specifier, but was not remapped to anything. Relative module specifiers must start with “./”, “../” or “/”`
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<rapha>
okay, perhaps they had no type=module on their <script
<rapha>
okay, again no, because then `Uncaught SyntaxError: import declarations may only appear at top level of a module`
<adam12>
Can you add an import map for `chart.js/`
<rapha>
mapping to?
<adam12>
I'm not really sure tbh. I'd have to dig into it and today's already been a shitty day.
<rapha>
Sorry to hear :(
<rapha>
No worries, this is just my sick-leave project
<[0x1eef_]>
rapha: I don't fully understand the context you're working in. Are you trying to import Chart in a pure vanilla JS environment ? In that case you should be able to follow the rules of ES6 modules.
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<[0x1eef_]>
If Chart is built on traditional JS, then import "chart" might be enough, and there'd be window.Chart.
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<rapha>
HAH!!!
<rapha>
got it to work!
<rapha>
you just need to fake the shit out of it all :D
<rapha>
and wait, what am i using iodine for in the first place
* rapha
needs to do more reading
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<rapha>
ooor i could put a <script> tag inside a <turbo-stream> and manipulate the chart from there
<rapha>
since my initial goal was to learn some Turbo lol
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<weaksauce>
hah
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<[0x1eef_]>
For me, a large part of choosing ActiveRecord over Sequel in a personal project came down to learning more about ActiveRecord, and that knowledge being easily trasnferrable in a work environment.
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<[0x1eef_]>
I don't like that means including activesupport as well but it's gets tiring running uphill all the time.
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<rapha>
good point
<rapha>
and i did have that "knowledge being transferrable in a work environment" thought about Turbo
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<adam12>
rapha: There's some different options depending on what you're doing. Iodine has websockets built-in. There's Pushpin which is a reverse proxy.
<adam12>
There's another one I've mentioned in the past but I can't seem to find it anymore.
<rapha>
it indeed seems that iodine and actioncable get along well with each other
<adam12>
Could try Anycable too.
<adam12>
It's gonna drive me nuts trying to remember what the heck the last one was.
<rapha>
:(
<rapha>
know the feeling tho
<rapha>
for weeks i've been trying to remember what that new testing framework was called someone was working on
<adam12>
Greendots? TLDR?
<adam12>
Actually greendots is something else now.
<rapha>
Quickdraw is the name now, apparently
<adam12>
Yeah! That's the one
<rapha>
doesn't look like the thing i'd found back then. DOES look intersting tho.
<adam12>
Maybe it's tldr then.
<rapha>
if you had your free choice for a new project, what'd you wanna do your testing with?
<adam12>
I'm still using minitest but I use tldr on one project. I like the built-in runner/watcher/CLI.
<rapha>
no, wasn't tldr either. the one i saw was about smart integration of fixtures/factories (but i think didn't call them such) and not succumbing to the pitfalls of specs.
<adam12>
Oh
<adam12>
TestBench
<adam12>
I've _also_ used that one.
<rapha>
HECK yeah that coulda been it!
<rapha>
but you wouldn't have wanted to have to use it again?
<adam12>
I like it. But the Eventide project is very opinionated and while I do share a lot of their opinions, I don't share _all_ of them.
<adam12>
Test framework is especially gritty. No before/after hooks. No around hooks. No randomization. It would work on simple projects of mine but nothing with a database likely.
<rapha>
hmm
<rapha>
out of the ones we discussed, i wonder if Quickdraw warrants a closer look
<adam12>
Depends on your style.
<rapha>
because at work, right now, it's a terrible mess of badly written and mostly unmaintained RSpec
<adam12>
If you like rspec style, sus or quickdraw.
<rapha>
and noone who's one the team now likes RSpec
<rapha>
but not because of the style i think
<adam12>
If you like testunit style, tldr with emoji's turned off.
<rapha>
lol
<rapha>
everyone wants FASTER that's for sure
<adam12>
quickdraw and sus are parallelized. minitest paralelization is opt-in.
<adam12>
tldr might be parallel, I don't remmeber.
<rapha>
one dude got an M3 now. even that still chokes on the test suite. and still only 53% coverage because noone likes to write them.
<adam12>
I can't handle spec style.
<rapha>
parallel would be amazeballs
<rapha>
and i'd much prefer testunit style
<rapha>
there's one other guy on the project who also does
<rapha>
but i think i could convince two more
<rapha>
the tech lead will go along with anything as long as its more fun and might get his coverage up
<rapha>
he's even encouraged me to just start writing my own tests in something else
<rapha>
from what you're saying i'm thinking tldr with emojis now :)
<adam12>
Haha
<adam12>
I really like tldr. I just don't like the emojis :(
<rapha>
not sure i'm sold on the 1.8s thing
<rapha>
couldn't care less for/against some emojis