00:47 <NickH> Is this exclusive to river, or do you see the same behavour in other wlroots comopositors?

07:45 <leon-p> does anyone know some wayland native (layer shell would be nice) password prompting widget? I have written about 85% of a pinentry drop-in replacement and would love to avoid having to write any UI code

07:47 <DemiMarie> Why layer shell? I would expect something that had accessibility support.

07:50 <leon-p> Because I don't want the prompt to be a regular window

07:50 <leon-p> it should be a desktop widget that grabs focus

07:50 <leon-p> iamgine the fun of accidentally focusing a different window while typing your password

07:51 <leon-p> hunter2

07:51 <leon-p> whoops

07:51 <DemiMarie> Makes sense. Which compositors support layer shell?

07:52 <leon-p> pretty much all usable wlroots based projects except cage. Maybe kwin and kwinft, but I am not sure.

07:52 <DemiMarie> Let me guess: Mutter is the odd one out?

07:52 <leon-p> as always, unfortunately

07:53 <leon-p> but they have their own mechanisms for providing such widgets, so it's not /that/ much of an issue

07:53 <DemiMarie> Do they support much of anything beyond xdg-shell?

07:54 <DemiMarie> Do you mean shell extensions?

07:54 <leon-p> probably some of the protos that extend xdg-shell (except for the decoration one), but no idea, haven't used it in years

07:54 <leon-p> no, gnome does widgets as shell plugins which can use the shells clutter context directly

07:55 <DemiMarie> Ah. So not at all a stable API.

07:55 <leon-p> not even an API, gnome shell extensions are all monkey patches

07:56 <leon-p> it mostly works though, because everything on gnome that wants f.e. a password prompt tries to talk to gnome-keyring first before whipping up its own widgets

07:57 <leon-p> so there is a de-facto API that consist of sending DBus messages to other program that do the monkey patching for you

07:57 <leon-p> but again, it's been years since I seriously used gnome, so my knowledge here is a bit rusty of course

08:07 <leon-p> as for accessibility support in the prompt, I am personally not convinced of the current trend of adapting (and compromising) accessibility so that it integrates neatly into programs written for able-bodied people. I think that dedicated program would offer a considerably greater experience, however unfortunately I haven't had the time yet to experiment with that.

08:15 <DemiMarie> That is an interesting idea

16:47 <tleydxdy[m]> if the password prompt grabs the keyboard automatically it should be good in terms of accessibility?

16:48 <tleydxdy[m]> isn't it just a glorified text input box?

17:16 <leon-p> ifreund: what do you think about making zig-wayland allow void for user-data, if the user has no need to provide some context pointer?

17:16 <leon-p> (this is about listeners, forgot to mention)