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<KREYREN> I like how confused the chinese are that i got the device to work xDDDD https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/5689
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<deathmist> KREYREN: I for one have been following it for over a year, just interested in (learning) something new and unique compared to most other distros; as a bonus the cports tree is similar to Void Linux xbps-src which I'm extensively familiar with but ofc with riscv64 supported already etc
<deathmist> Esmil: have you tried https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-riscv/cover/20230801101030.2040-1-keith.zhao@starfivetech.com/ btw? I'm about to as it should make HDMI output stuff, ofc without GPU accel
<KREYREN> deathmist, Hmm interesting, the guy in our local hackerspace is the one who made the distro always through that he's incompetent :thinking:
<Esmil> deathmist: i haven't tried it. last time i looked at the patch series it didn't look very close to done
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<Esmil> judging by the review comments
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<deathmist> Esmil: finally got around to trying it, so the rendering speed is REALLY bad at idle, but if I start a CPU intensive program (even neofetch will do) the rendering performance drastically improves lol
<deathmist> can see artifacting at idle from login prompt timeout printing etc, or the cursor just blinking really slow
<deathmist> gonna try getting gnome up now just for fun with full swrast
<deathmist> seems just switching ondemand scaling_governor to performance made no difference so it's not cpufreq that matters but perhaps some clk driver?
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<deathmist> either way, gnome desktop with softpipe on mainline VF2 runs at a blazingly fast ~7 seconds per frame and I managed to somehow capture this: https://i.imgur.com/996TaOe.png
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<q66> yeah without llvmpipe it's going to be pretty bad
<q66> i mean, even with llvmpipe it's going to be bad, but pure softpipe is an order of magnitude slower
<q66> (otoh, it's more robust and works on everything)
<q66> you could try hooking up a real gpu to the m.2 slot ;P
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<Tenkawa> q66: You won't be getting any gpu in that m.2 slot without destroying the device even if it could ues it the speed would only be x1 which would be useless
<q66> sure you can
<q66> (it's pretty useless anyway due to the speed bottleneck, but you can)
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<q66> there are lots of ways to convert an m.2 into a proper pcie slot
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<q66> it's mechanically different, but electrically it's just pcie
<Tenkawa> q66: yeah... you can't without extra parts though so whats the point.. and the pci-e is very strained on this device (believe me I've put it through mass anounts of testing)
<Tenkawa> er amounts
<q66> https://i.imgur.com/tihOmlE.jpg now you are just one riser away from a gpu
<q66> (or none, if you modify the x4 slightly to make it open ended)
<Tenkawa> Yes... and as I stated before.. combined with the x1 and poor pcu-e on this unit... you gain next to nothing since you now must use microsd/emmc/usb realisticly for storage
<Tenkawa> s/pcu/pci
<q66> yeah, so what
<Tenkawa> The IO overhead alone will negate almost anything gained by the gpu
<q66> the pcie bottleneck is a much bigger concern than storage
<q66> it's gonna be slow but it's still fun to try
<Tenkawa> Oh sure
<Tenkawa> I don't disagree there
<Tenkawa> You should see my ice cooler lol
<q66> i never said it was gonna be practical
<q66> i juts said it's possible
<q66> fwiw emmc is probably the best choice for storage
<Tenkawa> I'm running 34-40 degrees at a full load... now thats funny
<q66> nvme on this is gonna be bottlenecked regardless, might as well leave the pcie free for testing
<Tenkawa> This is the funnest part thougj
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<Tenkawa> actually.. it is slower.. but still dramaticly faster
<Tenkawa> Linux vf2 6.5.2-vf2+ #13 SMP Thu Sep 7 20:33:58 EDT 2023 riscv64 GNU/Linux
<Tenkawa> still gets 350mb/sec
<q66> you can get speeds close to that with emmc in general
<Tenkawa> No.. emmc runsd around 170-200
<q66> so, close to that
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<Tenkawa> umm no
<q66> (it varies by the module you use too)
<q66> i don't see any scenario where the extra bit of storage performance would make a real difference on a board like that
<Tenkawa> It doesn't
<Tenkawa> it will someday
<Tenkawa> but not yet
<q66> it won't, it'll always be slow as balls regardless of what you do
<q66> in the future the thing that will make a difference is better/faster boards
<q66> in any case with the amount of random cursed pcie equipment i have here, might as well try some things
<q66> i once got an nvme ssd working in a power mac g4
<q66> it ran at whopping 50MB/s
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