03:16 <pablo_escoberg> Before I go on a wild goose chase:  Is it possible to nest `make` processes?  IOW, is it possible to `make` a list inside another list being `made`?

03:24 <aw-> pablo_escoberg: yes it is but it's not necessary

03:24 <aw-> you can use (link) inside the list

03:26 <pablo_escoberg> aw-well, I have while loops outer and inner, so I can just `(make (link (link ....) )) ??

03:26 <pablo_escoberg> sorry, ignore the `

03:26 <aw-> : (make (link 1 2 3 ) (link 4 5 6) (link (list 7 8 9)))

03:26 <aw-> -> (1 2 3 4 5 6 (7 8 9))

03:26 <pablo_escoberg> aha!  OK, TY.

03:26 <aw-> sorry i wrote (link) i meant (list)

03:27 <pablo_escoberg> gotcha.  thanks again.

03:27 <aw-> anyways, you know what i mean ;)

03:28 <aw-> you can use (make) again though

03:31 <aw-> like this perhaps:

03:31 <aw-> (make (link 1 2 3 ) (link 4 5 6) (link (make (link 7 8 9) (link 10 11 12))) (link 13 14 15))

03:31 <aw-> but it's probably **very** inefficient

03:32 <pablo_escoberg> Well, I'll avoid it then :).  `list` works as stated and I assume it's a great deal more efficient.

03:34 <aw-> probably, abu[7] can confirm when he wakes up :)

04:38 <abu[7]> Good morni

04:38 <abu[7]> ng aw-, pablo_escoberg

04:38 <abu[7]> Yes, correct I think

04:39 <abu[7]> Of course you can nest 'make' to any depth

04:39 <abu[7]> also across nested function calls

04:39 <abu[7]> (make (link ...) (link ... (make ...) ...) ...)

04:41 <abu[7]> It is very efficient, because 'make' keeps pointers to the first and last cells, so appending in front (yoke) and at the end (link, chain) is very fast independent of the list length

05:08 <aw-> abu[7]: hi, still efficient even with nesting?

05:10 <abu[7]> Yes, no difference

05:10 <abu[7]> Each (make ...) call creates its own stack frame

05:13 <abu[7]> this works also across coroutine calls

05:14 <abu[7]> i.e. each coroutine may be working on its own 'make' in parallel

05:17 <abu[7]> Efficiency is not an issue here. 'link' is basically just a 'cons' concatenated to the end-of-list-pointer

05:17 <abu[7]> : (vi 'link)

05:18 <abu[7]> (set $Make (ofs (set (val $Make) (cons Y $Nil)) 1))

05:21 <abu[7]> To the original question of pablo_escoberg: (make (link (link ..))) might be useful to link an item *twice*

05:22 <abu[7]> : (make (link (link 7)))

05:22 <abu[7]> -> (7 7)

05:22 <abu[7]> Same as (make (link 7 7))

05:22 <abu[7]> but useful if not a constant value

05:22 <abu[7]> (make (link (link (foo))))

05:23 <abu[7]> So the result of (foo) is linked twice, avoids the need to keep the result in a variable

05:23 <abu[7]> (link (link )) works because the return value of 'link' is the last linked value

06:40 <pablo_escoberg> thanks for the clarification.

10:05 <razzy> abu[7]: I am able to run simpler examples of pil http on remote server. I am unable to run both ERP examples (yours and Mias) on the same machine on two different pil versions. I am getting first page and than waiting for programmer input in console. I will walk my way through easier examples now. I will get back to ERP-example around tuesday :)

10:09 <abu[7]> razzy: What exactly goes wrong?

10:10 <abu[7]> "waiting for programmer input in console" loouns like the startup is wrong (does not depend on pil version)

10:11 <abu[7]> The REPL waits for input if started with -go +

10:11 <abu[7]> So perhaps you connect to the same process twice?

10:13 <razzy> abu[7]: I started with -'go 4040' whatever that means. port 8080. as recommended

10:13 <abu[7]> ok

10:14 <razzy> abu[7]: weird thing is, it is saying I am already login as admin

10:14 <abu[7]> you start both versions at the same time?

10:14 <razzy> abu no

10:15 <abu[7]> The current demoApp with current pil21 should work

10:17 <abu[7]> $ ./pil app/main.l -ap~main -go +

10:17 <abu[7]> or

10:17 <abu[7]> $ ./pil app/main.l -ap~main -go -wait

10:17 <abu[7]> (The second gives no REPL)

10:22 <razzy> abu[7]: is it working in your setting?

10:23 <abu[7]> yes

10:25 <razzy> I will reinstall than :] abu[7] btw, when bug, console saying: 14432 = 57655 25483529120409143~

10:26 <abu[7]> This is correct. Logging.

19:15 <pablo_escoberg> Different topic:  Is it possible to access a symbol's properties without get/put?  I tried `car` but that gives me the value (this surprised me).  I also tried something that left me with another question:  (cdr 'a) gives an error, but (cdr (quote a)) gives NIL.  I thought the two were equivalent.