01:00 <user3456> Looking through picolisp source, it seems that ffi is dependent on having clang/llvm available at runtime to work

01:01 <user3456> I'm curious though, why are src/{base,lib}.bc in llvm's bitcode format? How are they generated?

03:50 <aw-> user3456: like i said yesterday, if you want to use GCC, please use an OLDER version of picolisp

03:50 <aw-> pil21 is built specifically for LLVM

03:50 <aw-> also no you do _not_ need clang/llvm at runtime

03:50 <aw-> you only need it at compile time

03:52 <aw-> once you have the picolisp binary then you won't need clang/llvm

03:52 <aw-> for FFI you will however need 'libffi.so'

04:44 <abu[7]> user3456: The PicoLisp distro comes with pre-build* src/s.ll files, which are then used by the LLVM backend to build the final executable for the target platform

04:46 <abu[7]> If you change sources in src/*.l then lib/llvm.l compiles them to new *.ll files

04:51 <abu[7]> s/pre-build* src/s.ll/pre-built src/*.ll/

07:07 <tankf33der> hi all

07:07 <tankf33der> user3456: https://envs.sh/2Bb.bin

07:07 <tankf33der> you can download the latest picolisp compiled from link above

07:07 <tankf33der> put this file named picolisp to bin/ directory

07:07 <tankf33der> afk.

07:23 <aw-> oh yeah, i used to have a GitHub actions to automatically compile each picolisp release

07:23 <aw-> i should set that up again with mmans

07:24 <abu[7]> To which platforms does it compile?

07:24 <aw-> oh.. i didn't do it for pil21 because Bintray was killed off

07:25 <aw-> abu[7]: it was compiling for x86

07:25 <aw-> src and src64

07:25 <aw-> https://github.com/picolisp/picolisp/blob/dev/.github/workflows/main.yml

07:25 <abu[7]> I see

07:25 <abu[7]> Which Bintray was killed off, and why?

07:28 <aw-> bintray.com

07:28 <aw-> they shut down the service for hosting open source binaries

07:28 <abu[7]> ok

07:29 <aw-> haven't bothered to find an alternative

07:29 <aw-> i mean.. i could always put an SSH key and give it sftp access to a server somewhere

07:30 <aw-> i'll wait for beneroth's return, maybe he can provide some assistance

07:30 <aw-> if i have a place to upload the compiled binaries, i can adjust this script pretty quickly for building pil21

07:31 <aw-> and even target other platforms such as windows and/or macos (if possible?)

07:31 <abu[7]> I did not think that it is useful to provide binaries, as it is platform-specific

07:33 <aw-> well it's not hurtful

07:33 <aw-> and it's not a hassle

07:34 <aw-> is picolisp officially in Ubuntu?

07:34 <abu[7]> yes, inherited from Debian (a bit old)

07:35 <aw-> ok

23:07 <user3456> I ended up building llvm from source, but now `cd pil21/src; make` gives "llvm-link: lib.bc:1:1: error: expected top-level entity"

23:09 <user3456> Ignore above, problem was caused by me trying to use gcc and using a fresh copy of pil21 worked