<abu[7]>
Then you can (vi '+User) and klick on +Role or whatever
<abu[7]>
("click" is Shift-K or Ctrl-])
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<razzy>
abu[7]: I am looking for remote work in picolisp. Is there some preferred website?
<razzy>
I would like to retroactively change my e-mail adress in mailing list. Propably not possible, is it.
<razzy>
Is it possible to control picoslip ERP application with keyboard in meaningfull way?
<abu[7]>
You could unsubscrabe the old and skbscribe the new address, but if you like I can change it manually
<abu[7]>
You chould investigate the demoApp
<abu[7]>
Keyboard is mainlt <enter> and <tab>
<abu[7]>
<enter> always goes to the first button in the current form
<abu[7]>
So most buttons are arranged in such a way
<abu[7]>
In most input fields you just type and relevant text fragments pop up
<razzy>
abu[7]: no chance for shortcuts?
<abu[7]>
For example?
<razzy>
user defined shortcuts. It could be button i guess
<razzy>
i mean user specific shorcut, programmed by programmer.
<abu[7]>
until now it was not needed
<abu[7]>
I have no idea where it would be useful, but can be done in JS
<razzy>
I know people who are used to oracle forms :)
<abu[7]>
In typical work you search in dialogs, edit data in forms or call reports
<razzy>
abu[7]: thank you :)
<abu[7]>
What would be a typical shortcut in an oracle form?
<razzy>
fill the form with order with earliest finish time.
<abu[7]>
This is a button
<abu[7]>
there are usually "Init" or "Clone" buttons
<abu[7]>
And many fields fill automatically from context when other fields are typed in
<razzy>
nice :]
<abu[7]>
Many fields have "+" button
<abu[7]>
it pops up a search dialog
<abu[7]>
for objects +Link'ed or +Joint'd
<abu[7]>
So each form behaves depending on the DB model.Hard to explain
<razzy>
abu[7]: I think i understand :]
<abu[7]>
So you *can* operate the form with <tab>s to go to desired fields or buttons, and then <enter> to execute the button, but for large forms it is easier with the mouse (or fingers on a mobile)
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<aw->
razzy: i sometimes hire for picolisp remote work, it would help if you had some publicly accessible code for review etc
<abu[7]>
I think there are only two examples public. demoApp.tg and wiki.tgz
<abu[7]>
I have lots of applications, but they are all contract work, and also quite specialized so not very useful without the data (which are even more proprietary)
<aw->
abu[7]: i'm pretty sure I've seen your work ;)
<aw->
i was responding to razzy's message earlier haha
<abu[7]>
aw-, yeah, but not *so* public ;)
<razzy>
aw-: I will let you know when I build some presentation. :) I can iterate until code and system is good. I have lot of space to improve in delivery speed :)
<pablo_escoberg>
quick question: why are symbol properties stored as `(val . key)` rather than `(key . val)`? I'm trying to decide between symbol properties and a plain list of cons pairs for storing config information and I think understanding this particular decision will help.
<abu[7]>
This is an important feature. (val . key) is a 'var', so much better usable
<abu[7]>
(inc (:: cnt))
<abu[7]>
(push (prop 'Sym 'stack))
<abu[7]>
etc.
<pablo_escoberg>
OK, that is very nice. I guess I'll go that route. the various `putl`'s will look kind of awkward, but it seems worth it.
<abu[7]>
I think 'getl' and 'putl' should not be used in "normal" programming. They have quite some overhead
<abu[7]>
They copy the whole property list
<pablo_escoberg>
hmmmm... But that's what I'm trying to do: set the entire property list in one go, as a configuration for example.
<pablo_escoberg>
Is it better to do successive `put`'s?
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<abu[7]>
Yes, I think it is better
<abu[7]>
(mapc 'put ...
<pablo_escoberg>
yeah, ok. That will also allow me to restore a more readable order. Glad I asked.
<abu[7]>
I would not make assumptions about other properties, they may be set by the debug env, or pilog etc.
<abu[7]>
In fact, the E/R use getl, but external objecbns have no debug or pilog info
<pablo_escoberg>
oh, wait. That's no good. these things will actually create/modify properties in existing symbols?
<pablo_escoberg>
If that's the case, I need to go back to cons lists.
<pablo_escoberg>
and VERY glad I asked...
<abu[7]>
It depends
<abu[7]>
If they are anonymous or external symbols, nobody will touch them
<pablo_escoberg>
but I can never really count on e.g. 'getl' to show me only what I `put` into an internal symbol?
<abu[7]>
right, internal symbols may be globally visible
<abu[7]>
sorry, bbl
<pablo_escoberg>
ok, TY
<abu[7]>
ret
<abu[7]>
Perhaps it is no big problem, as your internal symbols are all in their own namespace(s)
<abu[7]>
So it is under your control
<pablo_escoberg>
well, I'll do it both ways and see which way works out better.
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<abu[7]>
Or, as you said, use assoc, asoq, rassoc, rasoq etc.