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* gog wanders in and meows insistently
* klange にゃs at gog
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<gog> nyaaa
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* moon-child pets god
<gog> you have pleased your cat-god. you will not be batted off of the cosmic shelf this day.
<zid> none of my cats do that, are they broken?
<gog> nah they're just biding their time for the right knickknack to knock
<zid> ohh is it like, they have to earn a certain average of monetary damage?
<gog> one day youll bring home something you're so proud of that is also so fragile
<zid> So I should expect them to destroy the first ming vase I obtain
<gog> oh they're gonna knock it straight out of your hands and say you dropped it
<zid> so that they can have the rest of their lives off
<gog> uncritical support for destroying antique objets d'art
<klange> The latch knobs for my front door come off, as a security measure. I lock the door and take off the knob so the cats can't unlock it.
<klange> And I put the knob on a shelf.
<klange> And you can guess where this is going.
<zid> The cats attacked your knob
<zid> oh no
* zid hums a certain king missile song
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<seL4> wiki.osdev.org down for anybody else?
<Mutabah> It was up for me a few minutes ago, but seems down again
<Mutabah> There have been some issues with the hosting recently
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<seL4> its on wayback machine luckily
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<jafarlihi> I think there's a mistake in Bare Bones wiki page. It says "In case the terminal is filled up, it will just go back to the top of the screen." but this is not the case with the implementation provided. It never goes back to the top of the screen, it just keeps writing to memory addresses that are not rendered.
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<Mutabah> You're free to edit the page to fix it yourself
<Mutabah> (Wiki accounts are tied to forum accounts, just make a forum account and then add yourself to the wiki group via the user options page)
<moon-child> jafarlihi: perhaps you missed this: 'if (++terminal_row == VGA_HEIGHT) terminal_row = 0;'
<kernelspace> on armv7, is there a way to check, by asm, if i am in secure mode ?
<jafarlihi> moon-child: You are right, my \n implementation was just breaking it.
<kazinsal> the whole "bare bones" series of tutorials should probably be on a redo to-do list
<kazinsal> some pretty gnarly awful stuff in there
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<Belxjander> kazinsal: bare-bones should actually be renamed "Bare bones (POSIX)" because of all the posix userland basics that are included... which doesn't help anyone for a non-posix userland base target
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<jafarlihi> Are GDT pages really hard to understand or is it just me?
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<jafarlihi> Like, what is DPL?
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<jafarlihi> Oh, Descriptor Privilege Level
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<Mutabah> GDT is hard to understand :)
<geist> it's a bit of a wall of info at first
<geist> i can tell you it gets easier, but there is a lot of infos initially snce the GDT is where a lot of various concept (rings, permission levels, segments, etc) all come together
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<junon> Sick parrot today :(
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<gog> mewterializing
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<Bitweasil> kernelspace, yeah, SCR.NS should tell you.
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<chibill[m]> I need to figure out how to get Matrix to properly Identify me to libera :/ It really doesn't like it.
<chibill[m]> Its annoying getting kicked from the channel now and then.
<Bitweasil> No idea, I don't use the matrix bridge.
<Bitweasil> IRC and personal chat are separate.
<Bitweasil> I tried merging them for a while and, nah. IRC is worktime.
<Bitweasil> Matrix is personal stuff.
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<moon-child> you use irc for work?
<Bitweasil> (1) Yes. (2) I'm on here during work hours, typically.
<moon-child> that is nice
* moon-child uses slack. There was some talk of switching to irc, but it never went anywhere
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<geist> irc is good for internal critical stuff that depends on the least amount of infrastructure to comms
<geist> like during emergency like stuff
<geist> or at least better than something that relies on a whole pile of infrastructure
<junon> unless you wipe out your routing records
* junon looks at facebook
<geist> yeah but that hoses no matter what you do, it's the least amount
<junon> geist maybe you can't talk about it but how much did the facebook outage affect google? Anything notable?
<geist> no idea, for reals
<geist> i actually wonder if there was a spike or whatnot, but couldn't tell you if i knew, but would be interesting
<zid> Internet stopped being decentralized a long time ago
<junon> yeah it would
<zid> now it's call CDNs and stuff
<zid> just have to deal with it
<junon> depends on your definition of "centralized"
<junon> if you mean in the defi sense, the internet is entirely centralized lol
<moon-child> was the internet ever decentralised?
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<Bitweasil> Outside DNS root nameservers, the 90s and early 2000s were pretty scattered.
<kazinsal> unfortunately the circa 2021 definition of "decentralized" means "operated by people who are into cryptocurrency or otherwise cannot legally be within 500 feet of schools"
<Bitweasil> I don't think that's true at all. That's the cryptocurrency realm, but you can still have small web communities, running on single servers, etc, and not using the mainline infrastructure.
<Bitweasil> I'm not sure how "centralized" I'd consider "using a CDN on your own box" to be, though using cloud servers certainly qualifies.
<Bitweasil> aws-east-1 goes down, half the internet dies.
<Bitweasil> That's a problem.
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<gog> yes
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