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<gbruno> [github] ochafik edited pull request #4533 (Use Manifold for much faster & multithreaded CSG operations (WIP)) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4533
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<gbruno> [github] ochafik synchronize pull request #4533 (Use Manifold for much faster & multithreaded CSG operations (WIP)) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4533
<gbruno> [github] ochafik synchronize pull request #4533 (Use Manifold for much faster & multithreaded CSG operations (WIP)) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4533
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<guso78> kintel, i have tried for a second to move from GLSL1.2 to 2.0 or similar then i found out, that my graphics card does not support that. i feel that many people will be affected by this change.
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<peepsalot> guso78[m]: GLSL 2.0 doesn't exist
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<Vasiliy475> Hello every one, it is not comfort function realization in openscad, with return(like in C) concept wold be better. IMHO
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<guso78> cat is copied from cura installation
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<buZz> Vasiliy475: openscad isnt really that kind of language
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<Vasiliy475> buZz I guess, I do not have set my mind. I guess it is real difficulties to use f.e. python instead invent a new language. Hope that is not  an authors whim, to invent new programming language :).
<buZz> eh?
<buZz> openscad is a new programming language, and not reaaaally a programming language like python
<buZz> openscad was invented many years ago, many basics wont change :)
<buZz> there are python bindings to openscad though i think, so if you want to you could use that
<buZz> i see openscad not as programming, but as a description language
<buZz> i describe in code how the object should look
<Vasiliy475> In my case , I did some code , and didn't read documentation :).
<buZz> i've been using openscad for over 10 yrs now, its great
<Vasiliy475> I used it for 1 moth and discovered half year ago.
<Vasiliy475> I understand openscad function concept force to do high structural code.
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<buZz> i guess..
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<guso78> and you find yourself start to do highly recursive stuff very soon, because you cannot alter variables, which you have once set.
<buZz> thats one of the weirder things of openscad , the variables :)
<buZz> once you realize that you imho no longer see it as 'programming'
<Vasiliy475> Now I struggle , I need to cut dxf file in freecad manually in to 24 separate dxf files. DXF Export function would solve this.
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<gbruno> [github] gsohler opened pull request #4551 (Textures for OpenSCAD Preview mode) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4551
<buZz> urf freecad :)
<buZz> such a hell
<guso78[m]> Only pro is that freecad can do stp
<gbruno> [github] ochafik synchronize pull request #4533 (Use Manifold for much faster & multithreaded CSG operations (WIP)) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4533
<gbruno> [github] ochafik synchronize pull request #4533 (Use Manifold for much faster & multithreaded CSG operations (WIP)) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4533
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<gbruno> [github] ochafik synchronize pull request #4533 (Use Manifold for much faster & multithreaded CSG operations (WIP)) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4533
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<guso78[m]> Can i have an openscad csg File as stp and use IT in another Tool?
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<guso78[m]> Have -) save
<teepee> in freecad
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<phryk> by the by, i managed to try the openscad port compiled by my own package builder and got the same segfault. i also didn't manage to get the latest release tag compiled. i also found 2 issues with the build process.
<phryk> or rather one in the dependency checking script and one in some cmake file. at least if i'm remembering it right^^
<phryk> one was where something got defined as "5" that (at least on my system) had to be "qt5", the other was something like .pc files not being installed to the right location so pkg-config didn't find a lib – the fallback logic seems to be flawed and bail when it actually finds a suitable version…
<phryk> i now created a bug report for the freebsd port in the hope that the port maintainer has more of a clue about what's going on.^^
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<teepee> oh ffs Docker!
<juri_> ah, docker. :)
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<kintel> teepee: They killed free builds?
<teepee> kintel: they killed the whole oranization as far as I understand
<teepee> well they will in 1 month
<teepee> so I suppose I'll finally find out how that virtual creditcard works :)
<kintel> ouch, only Personal is free now : (
<teepee> I really don't want to put everything into github
<teepee> I've seen that, not sure it's worth it
<teepee> that said, not much harm in filling it out for now
<kintel> what are we using docker for now? just for building and hosting namespaced images?
<teepee> circle-ci builds and server images for just using openscad
<teepee> including one with EGL custom build
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<kintel> right, so we could use any image repository, although docker hub is the default.
<teepee> yeah, it's not a huge thing, we don't actually use any of the docker services other than the registry itself
<teepee> like no builds and such
<teepee> it's just annoying giving 1 month (we'll see if they keep that)
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<kintel> They do threaten to delete the organization. This will not go well : /
<kintel> I wonder how quickly one of the big ones will offer migration tools and free subscriptions
<kintel> well, github has a registry, so they will definitely try to capture the mindshare
<teepee> yes, both github and gitlab have it. plus likely lots of others, I did not check the lists posted
<kintel> I'll fill out the docker OSS application for how. If approved, that buys us a year
<kintel> *for now
<kintel> Done, but: "We do our best to process applications within 30 days. We’re currently experiencing a high volume of requests and may take longer than normal to respond."
<teepee> haha
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<kintel> At least we're in the queue and hopefully they won't kill our namespace
<teepee> I'll see if I can push an image or two meanwhile, not sure how old they are
<teepee> but I believe we should be covered by the 6 month span already
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<J23992232> GPT4 can now look at things (image input)
<teepee> cool, so it can talk and show bs ;-)
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<teepee> ahh, really just looking at things and then talking lies
<teepee> well, I guess it can easily replace a number of politicians soon
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<gbruno> [github] kintel pushed 7 modifications (Remove support for OpenGL < 2) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/c054e8be574676753139b23de1685ad5dcb2a2a5
<gbruno> [github] kintel synchronize pull request #4550 (Remove support for OpenGL < 2) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4550
<gbruno> [github] kintel pushed 3 additions 10 modifications (Add support for GLAD) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/576c80a7746a15c726e84dd99174a3b3b0e88f3a
<gbruno> [github] kintel synchronize pull request #4549 (Add support for GLAD) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4549
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<J23a> from https://openai.com/research/gpt-4  the examples are promising  and  i can imagine it is a better teacher as some humans
<kintel> teepee: On the positive side, we can finally get better bullshit detectors, as anything presented to a human will at some point need to be bullshit-verified :)
<teepee> hopefully that, or just get swamped by autogenerated useless stuff
<J23a> this is like in china where they used AI to detect corruption .. well the system was shutdown very fast
<kintel> I think we're already swamped with that, but it's not being addressed as it's way too profitable
<teepee> oh, I do think there's good use cases and it could be very valuable
<teepee> problem is using it in fully automatic mode, and that's what's going to happen as it promises to be the cheap solution
<kintel> it's just so ironic that someone thought that _search_ was the first large-scale use-case
<J23a> we already see the "webinar" sales pitches that are just prerecorded videos .. so  AI sales is the next big thing - contacting millions of people per day
<J23a> and talk with them until persuade to buy
<kintel> I guess search is marginally better than customer-facing chat though (https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist)
<J23a> microsoft made the mistake that it learned from people in chats .. so  with the GPT tokens that perish after some time this is not an issue
<kintel> Judging from the craze, my theory is that someone learned, and they may or may not still work at Microsoft today. But we'll all learn about that very soon. At the very least Bing is in the media again, so somebody will get a fat bonus ;)
<kintel> anyway, that was a bit off topic for OpenSCAD - sorry to feed the topic
<gbruno> [github] kintel pushed 9 modifications (Remove support for OpenGL < 2) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/a814b8ac6b1c2d06af802bdeb611da450e1c2ca2
<gbruno> [github] kintel synchronize pull request #4549 (Add support for GLAD) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4549
<gbruno> [github] kintel pushed 9 modifications (Remove support for OpenGL < 2) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/a814b8ac6b1c2d06af802bdeb611da450e1c2ca2
<gbruno> [github] kintel synchronize pull request #4550 (Remove support for OpenGL < 2) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4550
<teepee> a bit of off-topic stuff is good... for humans :)
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<J23a> Stream start  T-10s
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<Andy-pants> Does anyone know of a way to make the XYZ legend bigger?
<guso78> i think the code is in Renderer.cc or GLView.cc
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<Andy-pants> Hrmm. So not changeable without recompiling?
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<gbruno> [github] ochafik edited pull request #4533 (Use Manifold for much faster & multithreaded CSG operations (WIP)) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4533
<juri_> teepee: tried quay.io as a repository?
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<teepee> juri_: no, but I did see the name before, I'll have a look
<teepee> ah, red hat
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<gbruno> [github] kintel pushed 3 additions 10 modifications (Add support for GLAD) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/3974343676fffafe71856f153ab68fee698b0d4c
<gbruno> [github] kintel synchronize pull request #4549 (Add support for GLAD) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4549
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