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<InPhase> teepee: It looks like you can get the needed 10 MW generators for only $100k or so. You can make it happen!
<teepee> with the speed I'm progressing on my projects, that would take about a million years, so I might not start at all :D
<veverak> :D
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<PaulWay> Hi all!
<InPhase> Hello. :)
<PaulWay> I'm getting this issue in OpenSCAD: https://issueexplorer.com/issue/openscad/openscad/3975 - reported by someone else a while back.
<PaulWay> Latest OpenSCAD master branch.
<PaulWay> I can confirm that the QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb fix works.
<PaulWay> Just wondering if there's anything I can do to help debug / fix this?
<PaulWay> Given that I know next to nothing about Qt, C++, GNOME or GLEW :-)
<PaulWay> And if there's a better channel for me to ask about this, point me in that direction :-)
<InPhase> This is the channel.
<PaulWay> OK :-)
<PaulWay> I tried running it with --debug all but that didn't tell me anything more.
<InPhase> https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3975 This is the main link to that issue.
<InPhase> And thus that would be the place to post any additional information.
<PaulWay> OK, cool, thanks!
<InPhase> What is the "autocompletion window" supposed to be anyway?
<InPhase> I saw that bug before and assumed it was some Qt/Wayland bug on that specific distro. No one else could confirm it, and I couldn't even understand from the description what they were actually doing to cause the problem.
<InPhase> Does it just mean the editor's suggestion window?
<InPhase> Also, do you get the same .Xcompose errors? It's unclear if that's related.
<PaulWay> Basically the little pop-up window that shows you the choices of auto-completion for what you're typing.
<PaulWay> So yes, the editor's suggestion window is probably another description.
<InPhase> I'm heading to bed, but any additional information you can add to that github issue confirming identical behavior to the initial report or pointing out slight differences would be a good help for someone getting a sense of how to actually fix it.
<InPhase> Or, getting a sense of whether it is fixable. It might be a library issue out of scope.
<PaulWay> OK, sure.
<InPhase> So if any of your library versions differ, that might reduce suspicion on that particular component.
<PaulWay> Will do what I can.
<InPhase> *thumbsup*
<InPhase> Goodnight. :)
<PaulWay> Thanks InPhase - sleep well.
<lf94> InPhase: http://0x0.st/orEV.png
<lf94> InPhase: 1000 unions :)
<lf94> https://github.com/lf94/Epifaneia I wrote my own SDF renderer - it outputs WGSL and renders it using WGPU (Rust)
<lf94> I'm now trying to figure out a way to do some sort of culling
<peeps[zen]> PaulWay: did you compile OpenSCAD yourself?
<PaulWay> Yes.
<PaulWay> I was getting this same problem in the Flatpak version I'd installed, so I thought there might be a bug that was fixed in the latest version.
<peeps[zen]> if you can make a debug build, and get a backtrace from gdb, that might be useful
<PaulWay> OK. Not sure how to do a debug build - I have a limited understanding of cmake as a build system.
<peeps[zen]> cmake CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug ...
<PaulWay> OK, will do.
<peeps[zen]> er, sorry that should be "cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DEXPERIMENTAL=ON .."
<PaulWay> OK. Let me give that a try.
<peeps[zen]> you might need to force "make clean" first or just wipe the whole build dir to be sure. have you used gdb before?
<PaulWay> A while ago.
<PaulWay> Probably about five years since I used it seriously :-)
<peeps[zen]> well, there's not much to it to get a backtrace. just run "gdb ./openscad", then "run" from gdb prompt. reproduce the segfault, then "bt" to print a full backtrace
<PaulWay> Yep,
<PaulWay> See if it can compile and I get a backtrace to paste before dinner's ready :-)
<peeps[zen]> cool :)
<PaulWay> Great Shiznax, the 'downloading debug info for...' feature in gdb is new to me :-)
<PaulWay> Very cool!
<PaulWay> Hmmm - I might leave this to download all its debug info and go have dinner.
<PaulWay> Back in half an hour or so.
<peeps[zen]> cool, thanks for giving it a shot. i don't think i've seen that feature before either, sounds handy
<peeps[zen]> its been a while since i used gdb directly too. i do most debugging through an IDE lately (still gdb as backend), but haven't needed it much for a while.
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<PaulWay> OK. Hmmm.
<PaulWay> Odd.
<PaulWay> Can't get the simple test case to fail.
<PaulWay> But what's odd is that some of the standard words like 'cylinder' aren't showing up in the auto-complete selector box.
<PaulWay> And I can occasionally get a 'GLEW Error: Unknown error' but it doesn't seem to crash.
<PaulWay> Ah, OK, 'cylinder' is there when I type 'cy' but it's at the end of the list (and off the scroll page) when I just type 'c'.
<PaulWay> However, what's not showing up is the usage hints - e.g. 'cylinder(h=height, r=radius)'.
<PaulWay> And there's some weird behaviour on the word choice.
<PaulWay> If I type 't', the box pops up with 'tan, textmetrics, ...'.
<PaulWay> If I immediately type 'r', the box disappears.
<PaulWay> However, if I then delete the 'r' and retype it the box appears with 'translate, true'.
<PaulWay> Do I need to tell gdb to trace on all threads?
<PaulWay> The "GLEW Error: Unknown error" seems to occur when I select 'new' or 'open' from the initial dialogue.
<peepsalot> no, if you could reproduce a segfault, i'm pretty sure it would catch it regardless of what thread its on
<PaulWay> Hmmm.
<PaulWay> Let me try it without gdb...
<peepsalot> not sure what's going on, i don't pay very close attention to intricacies of the suggestions
<peepsalot> its possible that its one of those errors that doesn't show up in unoptimized debug code
<PaulWay> Yeah, that's what's worrying me...
<PaulWay> OTOH, I can't get it to fail in the RPM-installed standard version, and that was failing regularly before.
<ccox> or uninitialized values/memory that won't show up when run under a debugger.
<peepsalot> if you're still up for trying it, there's also -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RelWithDebInfo which should add some optimizations while keeping debug tables
<ccox> (heisenbugs are the. worst.)
<PaulWay> OK.
<PaulWay> Give me a minute for that :-)
<PaulWay> With -DEXPERIMENTAL=ON also?
<PaulWay> I'm going with that...
<peepsalot> depends if you want openscad's experimental features built or not. ON is akin to a dev-snapshot build, OFF (default) is more like a stable release
<PaulWay> Experimental like what?
<ccox> features still in development/testing
<peepsalot> it enables some checkboxes in Preferences -> Features, things like "lazy-union" "VBO renderer" etc
<PaulWay> OK. So I think the sense I'm getting from you then is that this shouldn't be causing the crash.
<PaulWay> The problem is that now I'm not getting the crash, even in the RPM-supplied binary which used to crash every time.
<peepsalot> er, i should say it unlocks them so you can set the features, but it won't enable any unless you've checked those preferences before
<peepsalot> maybe wayland fixed their shtuff ;)
<peepsalot> if you haven't been running a dev-snapshot where you set those "Features" preferences (so they would be saved as QtSettings), then EXPERIMENTAL should be inconsequential
<PaulWay> Well, it was crashing earlier today. When I ran it with `env QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb ./openscad` it worked fine.
<PaulWay> And when I do that it and type cylinder(, on the '(' it pops up a box showing the different ways of declaring a cylinder.
<PaulWay> Without that QT_QPA_PLATFORM setting it doesn't pop that box up.
<PaulWay> So I'm obviously not getting to some specific code path somewhere.
<peepsalot> dunno, i'm off to bed though, sorry I couldn't help more.
<PaulWay> No worries - I've at least got the tools to debug it if I can get it to happen again.
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<gbruno> [github] woferry opened issue #4030 (Option to clear console on each Preview/Render). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/4030
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<pa> any idea how to generate a squished sphere (like scaled [1,1,0.3]) but with the sides with a less acute angle?
<pa> some sort closed torus, but not flat top and bottom
<pa> hmm maybe with a couple of unions and intersections, lemme try
<pa> (i meant rounding the edges of something like scale([0.5,1.45,2.2]) sphere(d=20, $fn=120); )
<pa> hmm torus doesn't work oob
<pa> need an elliptic rotate extrude
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<pa> hmm looks like dotSCAD might have something
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<pa> ok i think i solved it with Jack21 approach :-)
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<gbruno> [github] t-paul edited issue #4030 (Option to clear console on each Preview/Render). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/4030
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<pa> even though the beam isn't exactly constant.. https://bpa.st/AHBQ
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<gbruno> [github] t-paul pushed 1 modifications (Merge pull request #4029 from mark0815/master
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<Jack22994> pa if you use a sphere (or rotate the children along the path) it get equal
<Jack22994> https://bpa.st/DQPQ  the better solution would be the rotation
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<peepsalot> pa, Jack22994: https://bpa.st/7N7A
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<Jack22994> that is also why norm() will not give you the radius of the ellipse for that angle as the angles are "squeezed"
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<peepsalot> also fun fact, there's no clsoed form equation for the perimeter of an ellipse
<othx> peepsalot linked to YouTube video "Why is there no equation for the perimeter of an ellipse‽" => 1 IRC mentions
<Jack22994> this probably also apply to the length of  spirals
<Jack22994> Now i really wonder how ESA calculated Giottos path maybe incremental or the error was low in the  swing by area
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<pa> Jack22: thanks! will try that!
<Jack22> check the  paste from peepsalot - it is much more elegant
<pa> checking :-)
<pa> i also wanted to use $fn but i didnt know why.. ._.
<pa> s/why/how
<Jack22> $fn is the number of fragments   so  360/$fn  would be the increment angle
<pa> and the for loop?
<pa> 360/$fn?
<pa> as for the equalization, i thought i was rotating the children along the path
<pa> but maybe i should try with sphere
<Jack22> so  you would use a loop i=[0:$fn-1]) let (angle= i* 360/$fn)
<Jack22> pa yes you were rotating but on a ellipse that rotation is not uniform - why peepsalot calculated the rotation for each point with atan2()
<pa> aha, i see
<pa> thanks
<Jack22> the  second hull element get angle2= (i+1)*360/$fn;
<pa> how do i specify default $fn? in the parameter list?
<pa> yes
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<Jack22> pa not sure what you mean the $fn parameter can be used and also changed for that scope
<Jack22> when you use a module EXAMPLE($fn=36)  would use a different value if not specified
<pa> well i meant how to specify a default, in case user does not when calling the module
<peepsalot> just got back from my 2hr nap. adding $fn to elliptical extrude would be simple, i got you halfway there by adding a step value. just set step = 360/$fn;
<peepsalot> also, the step is much more important at the sharp ends of the ellipse, which is why it would make more sense to do as a function of arc length rather than angle, but that's a big pain to compute (that whole perimeter of ellipse problem i mentioned)
<peepsalot> you can set a default like this, just inside a module definition: $fn = $fn ? $fn : default_fn;
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<Jack22> you could  use dynamic steps  related to the ratio of the axis
<peepsalot> actually, i guess its most logical to base it on the rate of change of the tangent, but i don't feel like trying to work out a solver for that
<Jack22> pa if you call EXAMPLE()  it would use the 36   if you call  EXAMPLE(72) it would use  72   - in case of use a global $fn ⇒ what peepsalot wrote
<pa> peepsalot: yes i added it, following Jack22 suggestion (changing step)
<pa> peepsalot: yes i actually noticed that at the poles of the ellipse it gets stretched, so it would be nice to have it equalized, but i guess it's a tradeoff
<pa> i can just increase fn for now
<Jack22> peepsalot  yes i thought that too  maybe it works if  you just compare the angle of two points if they are over a threashold you subdivide
<pa> (sorry, i was checking the print :p )
<pa> i remember i once come up with a solution for this problem, but i'm afraid i forgot it :-)
<pa> i mean a solution without having to iterate or something
<pa> iirc it was based on intersecting the circle (or ellipse) with meridians
<pa> (but yea in that case it was an ellipse on a sphere)
<InPhase> Are you looking for evenly spaced points around an ellipse?
<pa> InPhase: that's what peepsalot was suggesting, i believe
<peepsalot> yes, at first, but then: <peepsalot> actually, i guess its most logical to base it on the rate of change of the tangent, but i don't feel like trying to work out a solver for that
<InPhase> That feels like it should be an easy expression.
* InPhase ponders.
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<InPhase> Okay, so apparently the exact solution is quite computationally intense due to elliptical integrals being unpleasant. It should still lend itself to a good approximation though I figure.
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<InPhase> peepsalot: An effective elliptical spacing fudger: https://bpa.st/EOEA At 10:1 ratios your brain will conclude they are adequately evenly spaced. At 100:1 you will perceive some deformities. But, it's also a quick straight pass calculation.
<InPhase> Those deformities from equally spaced with this at 100:1 are still much closer to evenly spaced than straight angle usage though.
<InPhase> At 2:1, 5:1, it's about perfect.
<peepsalot> cool, now do one that's based on the rate of change of the tangent
<InPhase> This does by line distances from a set of first-pass points, which is the tangent along the ellipse numerically estimated.
<InPhase> It does an equal spaced set of angles, then gets points, then calculates interpoint distances, then renormalizes by that with a bit of a fudge factor that kicks in to work better at larger aspect ratio differences, and then generates again.
<peepsalot> for an elliptical extrude, evenly spaced points would actually give a worse result. which is why i tried to correct myself (and repeated a couple times)
<InPhase> I don't understand the correction. How does the tangent differ from equally spaced points along the outside?
<InPhase> The tangent line is also the line oriented along the outside.
<pa> InPhase: i guess peepsalot meas that if the rate of change (tangent) is low, the line is about straight, and so far away points do little harm
<peepsalot> yes, you want the most points where the tightest curvature is
<InPhase> Well straight angular spacing from the origin pretty much already does that.
<pa> that is also true
<peepsalot> not sure as I haven't tried to calculate it, but i would think that doing that would tighten them up *even more* around the ends
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<peepsalot> InPhase, i added an echo to my script: https://bpa.st/SWCQ that is the value which should try to keep constant along the path
<peepsalot> it varies from 27degrees to less than 1 with regular angle spacing, at steps of 5 theta degrees. so, it would ideally be about 5 across the board
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<peepsalot> InPhase, does that make sense now?
<lf94> InPhase: see my project? :D
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<belba> hello
<peepsalot> hi belba
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<belba> I got a SpaceMouse Compact but I have trouble tu get it running with spacenav
<belba> As I understand right, I have to compile openscad witch spnavd support to get it running?
<peepsalot> sorry i don't have any experience with spacenav, but that sounds correct. what OS?
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<belba> @peepsalot Ubuntu 18.04
<belba> but usualli I'm using the Appimages in stable or a nightly build version
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<peepsalot> belba, looking at the CMakeLists.txt, it seems you need to pass -DENABLE_SPNAV=ON when calling cmake
<peepsalot> i guess its not enabled by default for AppImage builds, not sure if that's intentional or just an oversight
<teepee> the recommended way on Linux is using the joystick driver
<teepee> the mouse should simply be detected as 6axis joystick
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<belba> @peepsalot I had problems to compile openscad, special with the qscintilla2 stuff, for that reason I gave up to compile
<belba> @teepee thx for the hint, I read a little bit about this but my mouse was not reconized as a joystick. Perhabs I have more to investigate in this direction
<teepee> hmm, strange, is it using that generic wireless dongle, or is it cabled?
<teepee> oof, I just checked amazon, I have a "3Dconnexion SpaceMouse Wireless" which I bought for 130€, it's now 220€. that's crazy
<teepee> and that is detected on Debian without any problems
<teepee> that said, an installed spacenavd might interfere
<belba> it is cabled and it is is the small Compact version. No problems with the spacenav driver under freecad it works
<belba> I can disable spnavd, no problem
<teepee> worth a test
<teepee> I'm not sure if it's possible to build against spacenavd, maybe this just needs some build setup
<belba> the prices for any kind of hardware are going crazy currently. My company where I'm employed has massive probles to get the right printer, barcode scanner and Raspis
<belba> I will try it
<teepee> oh, yeah, we looked at raspis a couple of days ago as someone needed 4 of them, that's tough in the near future
<peepsalot> is spacenavd propreitary drivers or something?
<belba> we need much mor of them, we have now ordered them in china via alibaba....
<teepee> it's open source
<teepee> there's a SDK by 3dconnexion but that license is totally impossible for open source
<InPhase> peepsalot: Yeah. I 80% finished it, then had to go make the kids dinner. :)
<belba> the original driver from 3dconnexion are propreitary and the Linux-version dosent support my small compact version
<teepee> spacenavd provides some extra integration for older devices
<teepee> uff, they don't support all devices even? that's quite a shit show :/
<belba> how so often if you want hardwaresupport for linux :-/
<teepee> unfortunately there does not seem to be much competition with those devices, very strange
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<teepee> ah, sold directly via amazon it's 172€ but still quite expensive for what it is