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<uvos__> its very ugly yeah
<uvos__> but i dont think its the implementations job to fix or worry about that
<freemangordon> uvos__: it is, as long as it concerns UI
<uvos__> its supposed to look like how a mathimatical matrix is conventionally written but it even fails at that since at best its a vector
<freemangordon> I have a friend of mine that is a designer, I will ask her for help as soon as she is covid clean :)
<uvos__> freemangordon: imo no, changing logos of external entitiys isent in the uis domain, no matter ugly it would be. doing so would also be a big disservice, since its ugly, but its still what user s are looking for when toey want to seelect matrix
<freemangordon> in general I agree
<freemangordon> but, in this particular case, the current icon we use is black text on white rectangular background
<freemangordon> no icon shall have opaque background
<freemangordon> so we shall come up with something useful and visible no matter the theme
<freemangordon> current one is not
<freemangordon> that's my concern, not that it is ugly
<freemangordon> so, coloured text on transparent background could do the job
<freemangordon> like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Matrix_icon.svg, but with black replaced with some color, glowing green perhaps
<freemangordon> uvos__: also, their recommended client is using its own icon
<freemangordon> 'Element" that is
<Wizzup> that is some web clien but yeah
<freemangordon> not really, you can install it
<arno11> Wizzup: honestly now -devel with no tweaks with just few changes in transitions and no tracker in home works very well with acceptable perfs
<arno11> that's not super fast but far better than few days ago
<uvos__> freemangordon: i think you need to seperate the icon that is the icon of the client and the icon that describes the protocoll in the client
<uvos__> (where element also uses the [matrix] logo
<uvos__> anyhow as long as its still recognizably the [m] logo i dont care
<uvos__> and yes element is a electron app you can install ofc
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<freemangordon> arno11: I dont; think it is possible to be any faster than that, besides fixing slow gtk rendering
<freemangordon> like, this is a device from 2009
<freemangordon> oh, alos we may move port of rootfs to onenand
<freemangordon> that'd reduce startup times
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<freemangordon> uvos__: I understand and agree
<freemangordon> that's why I want to come up with some protocol icon derivative
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<arno11> freemangordon: agree
<arno11> qt5 booster could also help
<buZz> if you guys need some icons designed, lmk ?
<buZz> or other imagery or 3D stuff perhaps, but i doubt leste needs 3D ;)
<buZz> i do still want to finish a 'maemo leste phonestand' which features the logo prominently
<arno11> freemangordon: for rootfs: ah ok
<freemangordon> buZz: could you create image that uses https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Matrix_icon.svg as a mask over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain
<freemangordon> still image ofx
<freemangordon> *ofc
<freemangordon> do you get the idea?
<buZz> hehe , yeah, transparant matrix background?
<freemangordon> umm... no
<buZz> so, square icon with black and green matrix background?
<freemangordon> no, wait
<freemangordon> lemme try to elaborate
<buZz> :D
<freemangordon> this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Matrix_icon.svg is the mask, so only the black parts of it pass the background image
<buZz> ahhhhhh
<buZz> like a textured matrix icon
<freemangordon> that background image is digital rain
<buZz> with the matrix as matrix
<freemangordon> all other parts are transparent
<buZz> right , sure , can-do
<freemangordon> lets hope I explained it properly :)
<freemangordon> so, instead of black brackets and m we shall have disigal rain brackets and m
<freemangordon> *digital rain
<freemangordon> not sure how would that look like icon, but lets see
<buZz> square icon, right? i'll just make it toohighres
<freemangordon> keep the aspect ration
<freemangordon> otherwise square, yes
<freemangordon> but maybe we need high res as well, for app manager
<freemangordon> anyway, lets first see if such image is useful at all
<freemangordon> will worry about resolutions aftgerwards
<freemangordon> *afterwards
<freemangordon> perhaps you will have to thicken the brackets and m
<buZz> i think it could already look nice, but might benefit from a greyish blurred shadow
<buZz> freemangordon: ^
<buZz> i got maybe 15mins left to do mods if need be , now
<buZz> else it'll happen later ;)
<buZz> for one with a grey blurred dropshadow
<buZz> oops
<buZz> ignore the 'op verzoek gemaakt ;'
<buZz> :P
<buZz> hmmm, that dropshadowed one is nice imho
<freemangordon> buZz: yes, that was my idea
<freemangordon> cool, thanks
<freemangordon> it just needs more saturated green background as if it is 48x48 background will disappear
<freemangordon> and maybe thicken the brackets and m, so more background to be visible
<buZz> will do later, feel free to email me these mods ; buzz@spacedout dot nl
<freemangordon> ok
<freemangordon> I don't have anyh mods
<freemangordon> but, if you provide a project I can open in gimp, I can try to do something
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<sicelo> buZz: also needing icon for Maemo OTP client :-)
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<sicelo> and please provide ideas for roaming icon for the network type display (2G, 2.5, 3G, 3.5G, 4G) ... it's exactly 18x11 in size. i was think to keep these as is (since there aren't really any prixels to play with), and instead make them red to indicate roaming
<Wizzup> arno11: when you test sip, how do you test it, with two of your own sip accounts? what clients?
<arno11> Wizzup: i mostly use 2 of my ippi.com accounts with twinkle/sofiasip on leste and gswave on android
<arno11> gswave is really good for testing stuff with leste (huge amount of settings)
* sicelo will have a look at it ... on android generally uses PortSIP
<sicelo> (oh btw, ofono from upstream works beautifully on the Librem5)
<uvos__> theres supposed to be a icon for 2.5G?
<uvos__> that should be eadge no
<uvos__> then its not working
<sicelo> it's working
<sicelo> it shows '2.5'
<uvos__> well not on d4
<sicelo> and yes, Edge
<uvos__> ofono reports edge but i get the 2g icon
<arno11> same for me
<sicelo> then something's broken somewhere. there's a 2.5 icon, and i believe i've seen it numerous times
<uvos__> well
<uvos__> float r2score(const torch::Tensor& prediction, const torch::Tensor& truth)
<uvos__> {
<uvos__> torch::Tensor means = truth.mean(0).repeat({truth.size(0), 1});
<uvos__> torch::Tensor suqareSum = torch::sum(torch::pow(truth-prediction, 2));
<uvos__> torch::Tensor squareSumMean = torch::sum(torch::pow(truth-means, 2));
<uvos__> return 1-suqareSum.item<float>()/squareSumMean.item<float>();
<uvos__> }
<uvos__> upps
<uvos__> thats the wrong paste
<uvos__> org.ofono.ConnectionManager
<uvos__> Bearer = edge
<uvos__> no icon
<uvos__> and im pretty sure hsdpa dosent show 3.5G either
<uvos__> so needs investigation
<arno11> 3.5g icon works, currently using it
<sicelo> no, the icon is not based on 'that' Bearer ...
<Wizzup> it shows 3.5g on n900
<sicelo> it's based on NetworkRegistration Tech
<Wizzup> not on d4
<Wizzup> iirc
<Wizzup> arno11: check, ty
<arno11> np
<uvos__> hmm but edge isent a network tech is it
<uvos__> its just data
<uvos__> the voice channels and everything is plain old gsm
<uvos__> org.ofono.NetworkRegistration
<uvos__> Technology = edge would be wierd
<sicelo> well ... i'm just telling you what ofono says :-)
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<uvos__> i get that but it dosent work on d4 like at atm
<uvos__> i see
<sicelo> so what does D4 show for NetworkRegistration.Technology when bearer says Edge?
<uvos__> yeah the d4 modem never shows anything besides gsm and umts
<sicelo> fwiw, for some reason, N900 doesn't have Bearer in ConnectionManager.Technology
<uvos__> ofono's interfaces are pretty wierd
<uvos__> (never mind that the d4 is bugged here)
<sicelo> i think it's correct (d4) ...
<sicelo> part of the mistake is most likely in connui-cellular and/or libgofono.
<uvos__> i mean the api description implies that Technology should be edge
<uvos__> or at least could be edge
<uvos__> anyhow ill open a bug ttyl
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<Wizzup> sicelo: keep in mind freemangordon is redoing connui-cellular mostly
<sicelo> yeah, i recall :-)
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<freemangordon> yes, connui-cellular lacks support for .5 currently
<Wizzup> (it works on n900)
<Wizzup> but yes
<freemangordon> does is? then d4 does not report it properly
<freemangordon> or connui-cellular does not process it propely
<freemangordon> anyway, the new one shall be ok
<freemangordon> (once it is ready)
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<sicelo> lol my D4, connected to internet, has Bearer = none. Tech = umts
<Wizzup> yeah iirc d4 ofono properties are still a bit off
<arno11> sicelo: btw how's your n900 now ? able to boot ?
<sicelo> i did nuke modest then it worked. haven't played with it again
<Wizzup> latest upgrades should fix all boot issues
<sicelo> i'll give it a go again
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