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<bibliocar>
<message> jedavies everything working a-okay!
<bibliocar>
still getting used to kirc...
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<jgart>
bibliocar, how about catgirl?
<bibliocar>
Heh, I figured kirc was what everyone else was using because it was in the default repos. I'll try catgirl.
<hyrc>
never heard of kirc or catgirl before
<hyrc>
what strange dimension have i stumbled-into?
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<bibliocar>
this dimension is text only.
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<bibliocar>
just stumbling around bumping into words.
<hyrc>
i just commented on an alarmist blog where the author tried to raise alarm because one in four million people who did A got result B
<hyrc>
and then he claimed he was being illegitimately censored for saying "A causes B"
<hyrc>
and out of two hundred supportive comments, i was the first to point out that one in four million doesn't make a case for "A causes B"
<hyrc>
my misanthropy has been boosted to levels I had never imagined possible
<bibliocar>
Unless it's right after a fresh install
<bibliocar>
actually, no, that's probably below the rate of miscellaneous hardware problems.
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<noocsharp>
i managed to construct a static executable that runs on one of my machine and not the other
<noocsharp>
and i have no idea why
<hyrc>
strace might show you what it's having problem with
<noocsharp>
nope, on the machine where it doesn't work it segfaults before it starts running
<noocsharp>
so gdb doesn't help either
<hyrc>
does 'file' show it's an executable compiled for that machine?
<noocsharp>
yes
<hyrc>
does 'ldd' confirm it's not dynamically linked to any missing libraries?
<noocsharp>
i have 2 x64 linux machines, the exact same executable runs on one but faults on the other
<noocsharp>
it's generated by my own "compiler" which does not have the capability of generating dynamic executables
<noocsharp>
the only thing i can think of is that something changed in the kernel
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<jedavies>
Something dynamically loading a shared lib?
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<hyrc>
jedavies: he says it has none
<noocsharp>
completely statically linked
<hyrc>
is it talking to X11?
<hyrc>
statically linked can break if linked-in libraries do things in a different environment
<hyrc>
Loki games had trouble with that in 2001
<hyrc>
routers should have an option to beep when a wifi client associates
<noocsharp>
it literally just calls the exit syscall
<hyrc>
that is mysterious
<phoebos>
today i received feedback on a basic assessment for C
<phoebos>
"one function checks in malloc works - other functions shouldn't have to"
<phoebos>
"function type should be on the same line as function name - you have a very old style - however it wastes a line of screen space and it is non-standard"
<phoebos>
what standards??
<phoebos>
s/in/if/
<phoebos>
X|
<phoebos>
so this guy thinks i should just work with null pointers if malloc fails
<noocsharp>
i guess you're just bad at c programming
<soliwilos>
In the wayland book, Drew puts function types on it's own line in the examples. Seems to be a thing some devs like.
<phoebos>
makes it easy to grep '^functionname'
<noocsharp>
but you forget that grep is obsolete and that real programmers just use their ide to find functions
<phoebos>
ctags who
<hyrc>
which one of you is going to write a 'barrier' mouse/keyboard sharing plugin for wayfire wm
* hyrc
swings his billy club casually
<hyrc>
my unix beard now reaches my nipples
<natris1979[m]>
phoebos: I don't usually subscribe to this adage, but this seems like an instance of "those who can't do teach"
<natris1979[m]>
also `grep ^funcitonname` is genius, I never understood that style until now
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<hyrc>
do you miss 'beep'?
<hyrc>
i made a bash beeper that doesn't need a .wav file
<hyrc>
i'd like to convince xterm to beep to alsa though
<hyrc>
^G no work
<hyrc>
just 'beep' shellscript
<phoebos>
hyrc: like aplay?
<hyrc>
yeah it uses aplay but generates the wav with a hack
<hyrc>
bash doesn't really like generating binary data :)
<hyrc>
the idea is simple but tricking bash to do what i wanted took me a couple days
<phoebos>
so printf -v myvar "stuff" is like printf "stuff" | read myvar
<phoebos>
actually no
<phoebos>
i don't know how to use read(1) except in a while loop :p
<hyrc>
#bash is a great place to get your ego bashed for your bad scripting
<hyrc>
i learned a lot
<hyrc>
forgetting it though
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<natris1979[m]>
I learned a ton by reading https://github.com/dylanaraps/pure-sh-bible and running `shellcheck`. Haven't gone through the `bash` version yet, but I've found most things I thought were bash were really just posix shell