05:50 <testuser[m]1> Hi

06:06 <testuser[m]1> What does wlroots being "owned" by free desktop mean

06:06 <testuser[m]1> Wouldn't the contributors be the same

06:10 <testuser[m]1> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Pop-OS-New-Rust-Desktop

06:24 <illiliti> they already enforced their CoC

06:24 <illiliti> they want to rename master to main

06:24 <illiliti> i mean these bullshit changes started after transition to freedesktop

06:24 <illiliti> coincidence? i don't think so

06:25 <illiliti> redhat took over the control, it's obvious. they started enforcing their corporate policy to wlroots

06:25 <illiliti> we will see more bullshit in the future

06:26 <testuser[m]1> hmm

06:31 <konimex> didn't ddevault himself proposed the move to freedesktop?

06:37 <illiliti> > ddevault closed this on Oct 25, 2019

06:37 <illiliti> > emersion reopened this on Sep 26

06:40 <illiliti> Drew doesn't control wlroots anymore afaik

06:41 <konimex> so what's the reason for ddevault closing the issue in the first place before the new guy went ahead?

06:41 <illiliti> we don't know

06:42 <konimex> > Pulling the plug on this for now until the following GitLab bug is addressed:

06:42 <konimex> looks like technical reason rather than ideological reason

06:44 <konimex> you know what, if the freedesktop move means wlroots (and therefore sway) is pressured and forced to support nvidia, it will be a positive (for me at least)

06:46 <illiliti> yeah, but closing the issue rather than simply leaving it open looks suspicious

06:56 <illiliti> nvidia support will never happen unless they open source code of driver

07:03 <illiliti> https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6650

07:03 <illiliti> > locked as off-topic and limited conversation to collaborators

07:03 <illiliti> :)

07:08 <konimex> so... this not true? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-GBM-Works-With-Sway

07:09 <konimex> anyway, works != support, but

07:09 <konimex> > nvidia support will never happen unless they open source code of driver

07:09 <konimex> or if there's pressure from the larger "fd.o" higher ups (e.g. red hat)

07:10 <testuser[m]1> it works but its terrible cuz of nvidia's crap driver

07:10 <testuser[m]1> clipboard pasting is broken, halts the program sometimes

07:12 <konimex> GNOME already supports EGLStreams (iirc), so if they can pressure wlroots to do the same (via some "internal politics" like the master->main change) that'd be great since I don't need to buy an AMD GPU in these times

07:13 <illiliti> eglstreams doesn't matter anymore

07:19 <illiliti> konimex: it's impossible to support nvidia due to technical reason. wlroots devs often patches underlaying drm driver to fix some bugs. driver with closed source makes it impossible to do so

07:24 <illiliti> moreover, nvidia actively sabotaging open source alternatives like nouveau by introducing signed firmware and shit like that

07:24 <illiliti> they definitely don't want it open source

07:26 <illiliti> redhat should pressure nvidia. i think they already do since nvidia implemented GBM

07:30 <konimex> aye

19:53 <midfavila> Hey, all. Anyone have luck getting Guile running? Been fiddling with it for a few hours, but I'm getting weird errors at runtime.

19:54 <midfavila> Fails to compile its definition for Scheme, which causes everything else to fail with "no such language scheme", despite Guile compiling just fine