00:02 <natris1979[m]> humm, haven't heard of phosh

00:08 <natris1979[m]> looks cool, but overall I want a thing that acts like a desktop with a tiling window manager and stuff when hooked up to a full mouse and keyboard but is still usable comfortably when in tablet mode. Phosh seems like it'd still act like a phone all the time

00:09 <jason123onirc> you can join the channel over at #danctnix-general:matrix.org and ask about phosh on tablets. Danct makes arch for pinephone / pinetab and has some pkgbuilds for phosh

00:10 <natris1979[m]> oh sweet, I'll probably do that when I get back to that project

00:11 <jason123onirc> yeah and sxmo might also work

00:12 <natris1979[m]> yeah, that has the most appeal. If I had a pinephone I'd totally be using sxmo

00:13 <jason123onirc> sxmo is the fastest on the pinephone

01:52 <bibliocar_> oh, nice about the kernel. I've built it under the original os, but have yet to try doing so with llvm or anything on kiss. I figured I'd see what my userland needs before pruning features in the config.

01:52 <bibliocar_> might not have to make it so minimal if I don't have to compile it.

01:56 <bibliocar_> oh right repo, that's sources.

20:16 <dilyn> http://ix.io/3Fu6 lmfao

20:22 <jedavies> What are you doing there?

20:22 <dilyn> *whistle* nothin

20:26 <natris1979[m]> Hmm. Sounds like a wonderful random obfuscated link to click on /s

20:26 <jedavies> But is m4 looking for gnulibc?

20:26 <jedavies> Or this is a custom deb you built?

20:26 <dilyn> it's a kiss package wrapped as a deb

20:27 <jedavies> should I ask the question...

20:27 <natris1979[m]> Just blew my mind a bit with that one

20:28 <natris1979[m]> I'll bite. Why?

20:29 <natris1979[m]> Also I'll retract my sarcasm above after registering who posted that link

20:29 <dilyn> was talking with a coworker about s6, minimalism, KISS, etc; said they'd try KISS if they could use apt

20:29 <dilyn> so I decided to package apt

20:30 <dilyn> obviously can't use the official repositories unless you want to use an ubuntu system, but...

20:30 <dilyn> now I just have to come up with some way of automating the whole repo system :X

20:31 <natris1979[m]> Sounds fun

20:36 <natris1979[m]> s6 is one of the main reasons I started playing with kiss. I've been trying to understand at a code level how more unix programs work and I can't even fully comprehend systemd as a user. I'm usually just copy pastaing stuff from archwiki without any real understanding

20:42 <dilyn> yeah some parts of systemd are pretty straightforward, but so much of it is ~mind boggling~

20:44 <soliwilos> I went from openrc to runit to s6 on gentoo and eventually came across kiss, which was much easier to use with s6.

20:47 <soliwilos> Still have gentoo on other machines, but I've kept kiss on my laptop.

20:49 <soliwilos> s6 is more to chew on than runit, but it's a better design I think.

22:03 <natris1979[m]> I used Gentoo years and years ago when computers were much slower. Build times were so long back then. And at one point something went wrong and I couldn't comprehend it and I was like "well, I guess I'm done with this".

22:03 <natris1979[m]> Kiss seems simple enough I could figure things out if something went wrong. That and a decade and a half of programming and administration probably help weather the storm. For instance I've successfully done 3 unrelated kernel builds successfully. Something I never could have pulled off back in the day

22:14 <bujeddhazeus> Gentoo is pretty powerful

22:14 <bujeddhazeus> I still haven't tried kisslinux but it does seem attractive

22:15 <bujeddhazeus> I'd be curious to know how firefox is running without X11 dependencies... I still haven't gotten it to work

22:22 <soliwilos> It builds and works here, firefox from repo/extra with no X11.

22:32 <bujeddhazeus> soliwilos: could you maybe share relevant environment variables please?

22:33 <bujeddhazeus> soliwilos: I'm trying to port the work to gentoo...

22:34 <jedavies> bujeddhazeus: https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/blob/master/extra/firefox/patches/no-x11.patch

22:34 <bujeddhazeus> I had a patch just like Dylan's, which I got working for ff89 in June. So I worked on updating it after Dylan's patch didn't work in my gentoo install and the only difference is I keep dbus

22:35 <bujeddhazeus> jedavies: yeah it does this: https://dpaste.com/FKLCYCKJ5.txt

22:35 <bujeddhazeus> Both my patch and his.

22:36 <soliwilos> I've never tried to build the kiss firefox on gentoo.

22:36 <bujeddhazeus> Ok

22:37 <bujeddhazeus> Well I got it to build, not run

22:37 <soliwilos> Are you only trying on gentoo, or does it fail for you on kiss as well?

22:37 <bujeddhazeus> I haven't tried in kiss

22:37 <bujeddhazeus> I'm curious to see what the differences are

22:37 <bujeddhazeus> Aside from trying to use dbus

22:39 <bujeddhazeus> There's maybe this that might help https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/blob/master/extra/gtk%2B3/patches/fix-firefox.patch

22:39 <bujeddhazeus> But that's apparently only for popup windows

22:46 <soliwilos> I'd have assumed it would run if it built, seems weird.

22:47 <soliwilos> Looks like it's trying to use the wayland backend as well.

22:49 <bujeddhazeus> Yep

22:49 <soliwilos> I'm setting GDK_BACKEND=wayland and MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 for firefox here.

22:50 <bujeddhazeus> soliwilos: still the same error

22:54 <soliwilos> If you build it without the patch it works?

23:04 <bujeddhazeus> soliwilos: yeah

23:04 <bujeddhazeus> But then I have X11 dependencies

23:11 <soliwilos> bujeddhazeus: What about firefox's dependencies which can be built with or without X, are they built with X disabled? E.g. gtk?

23:14 <bujeddhazeus> soliwilos: yes

23:15 <bujeddhazeus> soliwilos: if you want to see some (probably useless) backtraces I have some

23:22 <soliwilos> bujeddhazeus: It's an unlikely fix, but have you tried to start firefox with --no-remote? It at least used to be a problem for some firefox wayland builds on other distro's.

23:36 <bujeddhazeus> Doesn't help

23:37 <bujeddhazeus> soliwilos: I think I'm maybe missing gsettings-desktop-schemas... might be part of the issue

23:37 <bujeddhazeus> That's all I can think of

23:37 <soliwilos> bujeddhazeus: Is WAYLAND_DISPLAY set to something?

23:41 <bujeddhazeus> Yes, wayland-1

23:42 <natris1979[m]> Do Wayland-only apps work for you?

23:51 <soliwilos> bujeddhazeus: gsettings-desktop-schemas is in gentoo's repo.

23:52 <bujeddhazeus> natris1979: yeah, wofi is working (gtk3 as well)

23:52 <bujeddhazeus> soliwilos: yeah it's just not installed

23:52 <bujeddhazeus> One second I'm going to test something