<conchuod>
Also, distro folks and users are the only ones with leverage in terms of upstream, however limited that leverage may be
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<davidlt[m]>
I have a graveyard of ARM64 SBCs (actually, sadly, some unpacked ones) because I got too tired building custom kernels and distribution to keep them running for my own projects.
<davidlt[m]>
Hardware alone means very little for me.
<conchuod>
Building custom kernels is fine for me, having 500 different ways to flash things is much more annoying
<conchuod>
Having to replace vendor u-boots that are not even close to upstream u-boot is painful too
<davidlt[m]>
At some point you get tired. If you run X different SBCs, and new distro version / kernel shows up. So much work.
<conchuod>
Although, custom out of tree kernels I cannot be bothered with :)
<davidlt[m]>
Most of these will be out-of-tree vendor kernel.
<davidlt[m]>
If you also need to rebase those, etc. that's even more annoying.
<conchuod>
I already rebase one vendor tree, and I get paid for that. No more pls.
<davidlt[m]>
Just so much time wasted. I could just saved money (at a time) just buying x86_64 Intel Atom stuff.
<davidlt[m]>
This should track Linus master branch.
<davidlt[m]>
Based on their latest issues there definitely is a problem with PCIe stuff.
<davidlt[m]>
Like if a GPU is plugged in into PCIe slot 1, and you dd between two SSDs the system crash.
<davidlt[m]>
And similar issues, e.g. system crashes while playing supertuxkart.
<davidlt[m]>
They have plenty of time to discover and fix software or/and PCB issues, or discover erratas is various chips :)
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<conchuod>
Being based on ~mainline gives me hope davidlt[m]
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<davidlt[m]>
Holy Moly, I am back!
<davidlt[m]>
What happens when doing Fedora 37 -> 38 upgrade your computer powersoff just 10-15% in the upgrade? A lot of fun 🤡
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<davidlt[m]>
All that work on SBCs gives you a lot of skills to recover from this :)
<davidlt[m]>
I am still impressed.
<davidlt[m]>
and kudos to my aarch64 laptop that helped :D
* davidlt[m]
💃💃🎆
<somlo>
davidlt[m]: what sort of aarch64 laptop do you have ?
<davidlt[m]>
PineBook Pro with a Rockchip.
<somlo>
only $220, interesting!
<davidlt[m]>
Nah, it was 300+ a long time ago because all the customs, etc.
<somlo>
yeah, it's 219.99 plus $40 shipping from where I'm looking at it (mid-west USA). I *want* one, not sure I *need* one, so I'm conflicted :)
<davidlt[m]>
Get macbook with M1 instead. There are sales for that thing in US and it will be a way better investment.
<somlo>
oh I have one of those from work :) Don't love it, it's checking with the mother ship each time I try to reinstall the OS, hate its guts for doing that :D
<davidlt[m]>
Perf/USD there is nothing to compare here.
<davidlt[m]>
You can run Linux on it.
<somlo>
but Fedora works great as a guest VM under UTM
<somlo>
as for asahi linux, I'm not sure I'm *that* early of an adopter :D
<somlo>
once Fedora supports m1 out of the box, I might stop hating it...
<somlo>
but who knows how many years that will take...
<davidlt[m]>
Conan Kudo: is working on that, there is Fedora Asahi SIG.
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<Eighth_Doctor>
indeed
<Eighth_Doctor>
though it'll be a while that it'll reach mainline
<somlo>
interesting, I'll check out the SIG. For now, all I can try is being a guinea pig, if there's any need for that sort of thing :)
<somlo>
Eighth_Doctor: so the mailing list has no traffic, and there's mention of a matrix channel -- my boomer question is, can I monitor that from my IRC client? :D (I know it works the other way around, but monitoring stuff using my web browser doesn't come naturally to me...)
<Eighth_Doctor>
nope
<Eighth_Doctor>
It's only Matrix
<somlo>
oh well :(
<Eighth_Doctor>
the mailing list asahi@ is not heavily used much because we don't have a release yet
<Eighth_Doctor>
but there's preview stuff you can find and try
<somlo>
yeah, I was mainly going to open the channel in my irc client and peek if/when there's any activity, to get a feel for where things are and where they're headed
<somlo>
logging into something over the web for just that kind of thing is a bridge too far :)
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<somlo[m]>
guess I'll give this a try, see if s/hexchat/thunderbird/ will be workable...
<somlo[m]>
not sure what was with the quit and re-join, and whether that's something that happens often (and spams the "real" irc window for others) :)