<palmer>
Ah, I just bailed on Matrix because I found it too flaky ;)
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<davidlt[m]>
palmer: I think these days "younger generation" (like I would be super old) don't live on IRC anymore. Things like Discord have replaced it (which isn't open source, or open in general).
<davidlt[m]>
Matrix seems like a good enough federated replacement (?). Of course there is also IRCv3 IIRC (or whatever it's called).
<davidlt[m]>
Not sure what the future holds, but younger folks are definitely on Discord there days, not mIRC or whatever we used back as kids :)
<davidlt[m]>
Firmware fixed, but now I noticed that kernel image wasn't install into /boot. Interesting. I think something is missing on the grubby side (or got deprecated, a we continue to use armv7hl stuff; for the last release).
<davidlt[m]>
Once Atish patches land and new GRUB2 is released later this yeah we are switching to default Fedora bootflow (EFI, GRUB2, BLS stuff).
<davidlt[m]>
That's becoming a priority, i.e. getting rid of extlinux stuff.
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<davidlt[m]>
Okay, so this happens because systemd-udev was updated to remove grubby plugin. Thus it's not getting called to actually install the kernel. I am updating grubby a bit, and bringing back this plugin for now so we could move forward.
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<rwmjones>
I don't know very much about imgcreate, but neal can probably help
<davidlt>
rwmjones, livecd-tools
<davidlt>
rwmjones, I have some local hacks/fixed, nothing final yet
<davidlt>
new image cooking
<davidlt>
ah, I hate when packages don't have upgrade path during Fedora upgrades
<davidlt>
(COPR in this case)
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<davidlt[m]>
Hmm.. Folks really started migration to Mastodon :/ I still didn't decide on which server I should create the account (not that it matters too much).
<somlo>
davidlt[m]: re. Discord: as an official "old fart", I'm continually baffled by this "we're interested in working on a Free os, but, out of convenience, we can't be arsed to try and use Free tools to actually work on it" mental model we seem to have of this mythical "younger generation" :D
<somlo>
but this whole "they *do* exist, and they're awesome" vs. "no, they actually don't even exist" flame war has already been litigated to death (e.g., on LWN), so in retrospect I'm sorry I even brought it up :)
<davidlt[m]>
:)
<davidlt[m]>
In the past one thing used to dominate I think. There was epic times for IRC, QC, MSN, etc.
<davidlt[m]>
These days it's fragmented quite a lot.
<davidlt[m]>
Well, at least the email still works :)
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<somlo>
yeah, but I read on Slashdot a long time ago that "Only old people use email" :D
<davidlt[m]>
I do run IRC, Discord, Matrix, Skype and probably more :)
<davidlt[m]>
Well, not everything moved to some app X to get notifications when someone wants your attention.
<davidlt[m]>
Like yeah, I don't expect an email from my bank. I would expect a message on the app.
<somlo>
oh this is so getting off topic, but I turn off notifications with a vengeance -- I don't want to walk through life blinging and clanging like a Las Vegas slot machine...
<davidlt[m]>
But a lot still use emails for notifications (even if that is notification about a message on some internal service).
<davidlt[m]>
Sorry :)
<davidlt[m]>
New image almost ready.
<davidlt[m]>
I am considering moving Fedora 37 to GRUB2, BLS ASAP to avoid having more issues.
<davidlt[m]>
For that I will probably need to move to 6.1-rc6 kernel too.
<davidlt[m]>
I think I see the benefits on Fedora 37 upgrade. Somehow flashing NVMe over USB 3 is now significantly faster.