02:38 <jaeger> does copy and paste work between wayland and xwayland

02:38 <jaeger> ?

05:05 <ivandi> yes it works (in sway at least)

10:51 <beerman> Romster: any chance of you updating fftw anytime?

12:31 <beerman> jue: do you use opt/freerdp? I have not gotten a reply on if we can drop it

12:31 <beerman> nothing depends on it and nobody seems to care about it either, yet its in core-ports@crux.nu domain

12:43 <jue> no, I don't use it, feel free to drop it

12:49 <beerman> alright, cheers

14:15 <jaeger> ivandi: any specific programs required for that?

14:16 <beerman> jaeger: not really. i just tried it with two individual caja windows which do run via xwayland, can move files between those without issues, never did anything special for it either

14:19 <jaeger> last time I looked at it I could copy and paste between 2 xorg applications in xwayland, but not between an xorg application and a wayland application

14:19 <jaeger> I'll give it another look

14:20 <beerman> oh, xwayland to a wayland native app.. mh

14:20 <jaeger> yeah

14:20 <beerman> xwayland to wayland doesn't seem to work for me either.

14:20 <beerman> caja to chromium

14:34 <jaeger> jue: any concerns about the aforementioned change to pam's common-session?

15:09 <ivandi> xwayland to wayland (wine to firefox) works for me

15:20 <jaeger> hrmm, good to know

15:25 <farkuhar> however, judging from our experience debugging SiFuh's issue with mc and mpv, it's not always safe to generalize from what works on ivandi's system.

15:41 <jue> jaeger: no objections if you mean that -> https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/crux-devel/2022-05-04#32194928

15:42 <jaeger> jue: indeed. Sounds good, I'll add it.

15:52 <beerman> nice

15:52 <beerman> i am giving gcc 12.1 a go in the meanwhile and will see how that works

18:51 <farkuhar> beerman: regarding fftw, in FS#1907 are you merely asking for another entry in the dependencies list and some extra flags for configure, like so: http://sprunge.us/qnqw69 ?

18:52 <beerman> pretty much

18:54 <farkuhar> i can report success building it with that Pkgfile. If Romster wants to commit the changes, that's a starting point he can use.

18:56 <beerman> he got all the patches he needs for that from me a long time ago, thanks though..

19:00 <beerman> (and more but oh well)

19:06 <jaeger> ugh... fucking clamav depends on rust now?

19:09 <beerman> oops :D

19:12 <jaeger> rust might end up being what makes me stop using a source-based distribution

19:12 <beerman> really? why?

19:12 <beerman> comes as a surprise after you manage to put up with go

19:12 <jaeger> Just tired of building it over and over plus the weird cargo cultism that seems to come with new languages

19:12 <jaeger> Yeah, go definitely contributes to my annotance

19:12 <jaeger> annoyance

19:13 <jaeger> Though to be fair it takes a fraction of the time to build

19:13 <beerman> rust never gave me the same headache go gave me..

19:13 <beerman> i can take the build time when it at least is pretty much annoyance free

19:13 <beerman> which rust pretty much was over the time, at least for me..

19:14 <jaeger> To be more clear, rust wouldn't be the sole cause, maybe just the last straw, so to speak :P

19:14 <beerman> in a regard, libreoffice is more annoying as I have to redo the makefile patch every now and then, lol

19:16 <beerman> well, I mean I can guess where your frustration stems from, and in a way, I feel the same. chromium has been a lot more annoying to build than anything like it. only electron is slightly more annoying. but I can't stand firefox anymore either and chromium performs so freaking well...

19:17 <beerman> and electron being used more and more.. it makes sense to build at least one of the two, and native electron performs just so much better than anything they ever bundle (be it discord or whatever for example)

19:18 <beerman> and i quit building that, and just pull the prebuild binary nowadays, until I get more potent hardware to actually build it. it took over a freaking day to complete with distcc..

19:21 <jaeger> I don't use rust myself so it's likely I don't know what I'm talking about

19:21 <jaeger> Just sorta feels like everyone's moving to it because it's shiny

19:22 <beerman> it's not like i know anything, but compared to go or java or node or i dunno.. cargo, maven, npm etc pretty much behave all very much alike..

19:22 <beerman> and from a user perspective.. i love those rust tools? i rarely have any problems with them?

19:22 <farkuhar> jaeger: I don't know which example you had in mind of "weird cargo cultism", but this blog post triggered it for me: https://thomask.sdf.org/blog/2020/01/21/announcing-hashgood-tool-for-verifying-checksums.html

19:24 <farkuhar> I mean, why reinvent in rust something that OpenBSD's signify already does quite nicely?

19:24 <beerman> because why not?

19:25 <beerman> it's not like it aims to replace it or anything, somebody had a fun afternoon writing something?

19:25 <beerman> i have no idea what triggered you in that blog post farkuhar and at this point I am too afraid of asking ;)

19:26 <jaeger> I don't have a strong feeling about it for people's personal tools or whatever... just annoyed that now clamav requires llvm and cmake as dependencies it didn't before... probably nobody cares if they're not using a source-based distribution

19:28 <beerman> well, i'll give you that: 1.3% rust code in clamav makes it a little bit salty.

19:28 <beerman> if they plan on rewriting most of it it would make more sense to have a dev branch until they hit a number where it makes sense to actually have all that. but oh well, we are just downstream sucking up whatever they pour, so here we are

19:32 <beerman> farkuhar: looking at hashgood, it specifically says its not aiming to be scriptable but instead aims to be an interactive tool. I don't see how this tries to replace signify as you said..

19:44 <beerman> jaeger: anyway, feast on my new 65% with non fitting keycaps, but I butchered a vintage cherry mx board to use both the switches and keycaps for now, planning to make a wood case for it (nobody needs rgb anyway)

19:44 <beerman> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886343974271483904/970734869179142174/205CFD40-F817-43A2-A21D-FA8CC532725E.jpg

19:45 <beerman> thinking about all black blanco caps, which are both affordable and in stock, but not dead set on it yet either, I somehow like these clean legends on those old cherry caps

19:48 <farkuhar> beerman: I agree with you that everyone is entitled to have a fun afternoon solving an interesting problem in the programming language of their choice. rust seemed like an odd choice for this particular problem, though. As an exercise in learning the rust language, it's a fine project.

19:48 <beerman> mx black switches, and screw in stabs.

19:50 <jaeger> looks good

19:50 <jaeger> couple keycaps look a little goofy as mentioned but still :)

19:51 <beerman> iso keycap sets are too damn pricey, I won't take that xD

19:51 <jaeger> keycap sets in general are too expensive, I feel. I have quite a few now but none of them are expensive ones

19:51 <beerman> you can't invest ~100€ in a board, then spend 200€ on a nice keycap set.. that's just insane imo

19:51 <jaeger> cheap stuff from aliexpress, etc.

19:52 <beerman> yeah, i try to keep my eyes open for reasonable priced sets, but I just got two so far, both employed somewhere else

19:52 <beerman> but on the bright side: mech keyboards do get a broader audience compared to a few years ago already

19:53 <beerman> so it might just be a matter of time till some nice mass marketed keycaps will be available.. with the import fees, I was happy to get the pcb from within germany for a good price (40€)

19:54 <beerman> top plate (20€) and stabs (20€) and here we are.. availability of Tao-Hao sets that do offer a lot of iso options is horrible though...

19:54 <beerman> gmk seems very overrated reading a few reviews.. and well.. what else is there? gmmk nowadays (which does level the floor I think)

19:55 <jaeger> Some GMK sets look nice but those prices are insane

19:55 <beerman> and the quality issues, if you havent read about them yet... thats real

19:56 <beerman> its not unlikely you get bend keys, scratched, or simply no f5 but 3x f4 or some crazy shit like that

19:56 <beerman> its like... hey you paid a small fortune on plastic and its not even a lego brick

19:56 <beerman> and... they still manage to make it suck?

20:03 <beerman> btw: right to the spacebar now reads "7 8 9" to have the same keycap type, also, 7 8 9. it's not much but it makes it better ;D

20:17 <beerman> farkuhar: fixed the r pixmap, that went past me, thanks again

20:30 <farkuhar> beerman: thanks for following up. It probably remained unfixed for so long because the terminal app is not associated with any mime types. RStudio will appear in an "open with" dialog (so a broken icon would be more obvious), but an incorrect icon for R itself can go unnoticed for years.

20:30 <beerman> i actually have R showing up in wofi, but I never cared to start it with that

20:31 <beerman> i either run it from a terminal directly.. i will probably drop rstudio. its another one of those that are way too much struggle to build, and nowadays I could just use the r language server with neovim if I wanted signature help etc