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<ShaneonConduitrs> IgorPec: umm is it within the scope of armbian to support StarFive JH7110? O.o I am considering making gerbers to upgrade Olimex Teres
<ShaneonConduitrs> riscbian!
* ShaneonConduitrs grins
<nekomancer[m]> ShaneonConduitrs: why not pinebook pro or thinkpad T42? that's much better cases
<ShaneonConduitrs> nekomancer[m]: bcs proprietary garbage
<ShaneonConduitrs> pinebook pro suffers from hardware bugs
<cornelius> it is a some what open source project so if you really wanted too... you could make it happen.
<ShaneonConduitrs> cornelius: meh i don't want to make standalone thing
<ShaneonConduitrs> too much pita
<cornelius> why would it be stand alone?
<ShaneonConduitrs> hm? o.o
<ShaneonConduitrs> well if igor won't merge it :D
<nekomancer[m]> ShaneonConduitrs: that doesn't matter after you insert your own best new motherboard
<cornelius> never known him to turn down press. if you took the time to inject it and support ur work I couldn't imagine he would say no.
<ShaneonConduitrs> nekomancer[m]: RK3399 has hardware bugs
<ShaneonConduitrs> you would have to replace the chip
<ShaneonConduitrs> cornelius: oke gut gut
<ShaneonConduitrs> then lets see how resourceful it is to implement https://github.com/starfive-tech/VisionFive2/issues/39
<ShaneonConduitrs> ^-^
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<archetech> Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.4 Distro: Ubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster)
<archetech> Machine: Type: ARM System: Radxa ROCK 5B
<nekomancer[m]> <ShaneonConduitrs> "you would have to replace the..." <- why chip? you tells you did a new motherboard.
<ShaneonConduitrs> nekomancer[m]: it has iirc spectre or meltdown vulnerability that it needs to mitigate
<ShaneonConduitrs> So security-wise Allwinner A64 is better solution
<nekomancer[m]> spectre is a treat on shared hosting. not on personal device
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<DC-IRC> <Tonymac32> hey archetech
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<ShaneonConduitrs> > warning Seems to have binary blobs for the GPU (gitlab.freedesktop.org/frankbinns/linux-firmware/-/tree/powervr/powervr)
<ShaneonConduitrs> hello darkness my old friend
<ShaneonConduitrs> So close to perfection
<ShaneonConduitrs> so close
<tonymac32> imagination technology is actively hostile to open source
<tonymac32> so Risc-v is a failure to launch if that's your metric
<ShaneonConduitrs> tonymac32: how?
<ShaneonConduitrs> hmm guess i am back to waiting for NXP to handle it's logistics to give me IMX8QM-TUKHLA u.u
<ShaneonConduitrs> <nekomancer[m]> "spectre is a treat on shared..." <- no compromises
<tonymac32> that imx8 has A72 cores
<tonymac32> so.......
<ShaneonConduitrs> hm? O.o
<tonymac32> the big IMX's have big cores
<tonymac32> the "MM" and related are all small cores
* ShaneonConduitrs confused
<archetech> tonymac32: hey
<tonymac32> IMX8QM is the most powerful one in the line, and has 2 A72 cores
<ShaneonConduitrs> soo?
<ShaneonConduitrs> o.o
<tonymac32> as I recall only the A53 and the armhf cores are safe from spectre
<ShaneonConduitrs> it has the economy cores you know
<archetech> ppa:liujianfeng1994/panfork-mesa has no lunar version nned me a replacemnt
<ShaneonConduitrs> tonymac32: o.o AllWinner A64 has aarch64 cores and they ain't affected
<tonymac32> archetech it looks like you smacked your face onto the keyboard :D
<ShaneonConduitrs> and NXP apparently addressed the spectre issue in TUHKLA
<archetech> na just dont linke running llvmpipe
<ShaneonConduitrs> since it seems to be related to chips made before 2014? O.o
<archetech> like
<tonymac32> it's a microarch issue
<tonymac32> so unless the cores aren't actually A72...
<ShaneonConduitrs> 🤔
<tonymac32> but, I don't know for sure, I'd take a look as you seem *very* concerned
<ShaneonConduitrs> like olimex will first launch SBC with that chip before making that for teres
<ShaneonConduitrs> so we will probably see there o.o
<tonymac32> redoing all speculative execution is not trivial
<ShaneonConduitrs> Another chip i was looking at is NXP T2080
* tonymac32 is googling
<ShaneonConduitrs> which i dunno
<tonymac32> power cores
<tonymac32> bold choice
<tonymac32> :D
<ShaneonConduitrs> https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/ they use it in this
<ShaneonConduitrs> gerbers already released and passed prototypes
<ShaneonConduitrs> crowdfunded
<tonymac32> that looks like deep pocket territiory
<tonymac32> I'm only a poor farmer boy :)
<ShaneonConduitrs> hmm the chip seems cheap
<ShaneonConduitrs> around like 60 EUR
<ShaneonConduitrs> So hypothetically 90 EUR max upgrade
<tonymac32> ok, so it costs more than about half of the devices Armbian targets.
<tonymac32> I can't find any in stock
<tonymac32> and where they're out of stock I'm seeing 180 USD
<tonymac32> (I haven't checked every subvariant to be sure
<ShaneonConduitrs> projected to change soon(TM) with EU having the bosch semiconductor plan in germany and TSCM in lithuania
<ShaneonConduitrs> https://youtu.be/ytFzUZXU188
<tonymac32> even benefitting from avoiding the most protectionist import taxation on the planet that won't make chips cheaper
<tonymac32> but more available, definitely yes
<ShaneonConduitrs> it will make them available for the projected price allegedly
<ShaneonConduitrs> by like june
<tonymac32> I would assume it will snow in Egypt again before that happens
<tonymac32> :)
<tonymac32> not that it wouldn't be awesome
<tonymac32> but that is a huge promise on the edge of reality
<ShaneonConduitrs> also real possibility, but NXP seems to have backlog for the BOSCH plant
<ShaneonConduitrs> and with military and car industry under control they seem to be fabricating these already
<tonymac32> silicon is still in scarcity, and everyone's capacity is wrecked
<tonymac32> I would not in any way say the car industry is under control
<tonymac32> there are 6+ month backlogs for electronics in some areas
<ShaneonConduitrs> ye but at least enough under control for NXP to get their things fabricated it seems
<ShaneonConduitrs> also through using that Intel plant in the US for cars
<ShaneonConduitrs> WV allegedly has a lot of things making there atm
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<archetech> balbes150 Test version 20230421-EDK2-EFI rock5 hmm should I try it
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<archetech> Armbian 23.04 Distro: Ubuntu
<archetech> 23.04 (Lunar Lobster)
<archetech> Type: Embedded-pc System: Radxa product: ROCK 5 Model B
<archetech> Machine:
<mlu> archetech: do you like it?
<archetech> it boots w/o issue all I can say atm
<mlu> nice
* mlu is currently IRCing from a arm64 device
<archetech> its got 5.10.110 I wanted mainline 6.3
<mlu> archetech: have you tried the build script?
<mlu> archetech: if you have a decent Linux machine to run it on, the armbian/build is surprisingly easy to use -- just select the options you want]
<mlu> it just works -- easiest Linux build I've ever used in 25yr of using Linux
<archetech> ive used it
<mlu> that script is a thing of beauty -- if only bash scripts were easier to follow
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<DC-IRC> <kell> Not sure where to ask, redirect me pls if some channel is better.
<DC-IRC> <kell> I have N raspberry pi 4b, some of them are with an official PoE hats, some without. I want to maintain the same OS image on them for consistency reasons.
<DC-IRC> <kell> For PoE hat for Ubuntu we did have custom rules put into `/etc/udev/rules.d/50-rpi-fan.rules`.
<DC-IRC> <kell> Rules:
<DC-IRC> <kell> ```
<DC-IRC> <kell> SUBSYSTEM=="thermal"
<DC-IRC> <kell> KERNEL=="thermal_zone0"
<DC-IRC> <kell> # mid-aggressive settings
<DC-IRC> <kell> # If the temp hits 35c, turn on the fan. Turn it off again when it goes back down to 30.
<DC-IRC> <kell> ATTR{trip_point_3_temp}="35000"
<DC-IRC> <kell> ATTR{trip_point_3_hyst}="5000"
<DC-IRC> <kell> #
<DC-IRC> <kell> # If the temp hits 40c, higher RPM.
<DC-IRC> <kell> ATTR{trip_point_2_temp}="40000"
<DC-IRC> <kell> ATTR{trip_point_2_hyst}="5000"
<DC-IRC> <kell> #
<DC-IRC> <kell> # If the temp hits 45c, higher RPM.
<DC-IRC> <kell> ATTR{trip_point_1_temp}="45000"
<DC-IRC> <kell> ATTR{trip_point_1_hyst}="5000"
<DC-IRC> <kell> #
<DC-IRC> <kell> # If the temp hits 65c, highest RPM.
<DC-IRC> <kell> ATTR{trip_point_0_temp}="65000"
<DC-IRC> <kell> ATTR{trip_point_0_hyst}="5000"
<DC-IRC> <kell> ```
<DC-IRC> <kell> So, the problem now starts when I do have this file presented on Raspi with armbian with no PoE hat, I see a lot of logs trying to find corresponding places to write this config to and finally raspi goes to an emergency mode.
<DC-IRC> <kell> Therefore, questions:
<DC-IRC> <kell> 1. Is there any other (more correct?) way to modify these settings on armbian?
<DC-IRC> <kell> 2. If not, can I have this rules file presented without bringing raspi to emergency mode?
<DC-IRC> <kell> RPi 4b, Armbian_23.02.2_Rpi4b_jammy_current_5.15.92
<DC-IRC> <kell> Thank you.
<DC-IRC> <kell> 3. Are there any default temperature settings for PoE hat for rpi in armbian?
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<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> ShaneonConduitrs: what "<ShaneonConduitrs> pinebook pro suffers from hardware bugs
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> [9:51 PM]
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> " are you referring to? mine works flawlessly
<ShaneonConduitrs> <DC-IRC> "<Tenkawa> " are you referring to..." <- Are you sure you want me to ruin your comfy life on pinebook pro?
<ShaneonConduitrs> if so look in /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/
<ShaneonConduitrs> And if you order teres-a64 from olimex then plz tell him that i influenced your decision so that he's more likely to give me pre-releases of gerbers for me to stick my greasy fingers in
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> ShaneonConduitrs: you "do" realize those are mitigateable by kernel fixes right? There is not a single piece of hardware out there that doesn't have some form of mitigation issue... even the cpu on current RK3588's have a ton
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> There is no such thing as a perfect cpu
<ShaneonConduitrs> mitigated != fixed
<ShaneonConduitrs> Not Affected is what you want there
* ShaneonConduitrs goes to get his teres
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<ShaneonConduitrs> kreyren@olimex-teres-a64:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6fcf441a3120bf5b4205b73ab2c80419f4f59753>)
<ShaneonConduitrs> That's why it's using A64
<ShaneonConduitrs> because NO. COMPROMISES. FOR. SECURITY
<ShaneonConduitrs> StarFive JH7110 is potentially an upgrade, but the firmware used in the GPU is not acceptable atm
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> 90% of those exploits btw require... external access.. so don't allow people connecting into your machine or you be running arbitary code
<ShaneonConduitrs> yes great idea like i ever had full control over that xD
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> Its a laptop... you better have...
<ShaneonConduitrs> you have to be realistic with security
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> if not... you shouldn't have it
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> I control what gets turned on/off installed/removed on my laptop
<ShaneonConduitrs> how are you going to manage a rogue application are you going to review the source code for all packages that you are installing?
<ShaneonConduitrs> How are you going to manage 0-days, explots, etc.. in linux kernel that you have no control over and in most cases even awareness about?
<ShaneonConduitrs> it's practically impossible
<ShaneonConduitrs> the only good way to mitigate that is to not have these bugs to begin with
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> ShaneonConduitrs: actually I build "every" kernel that goes on my machines
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> thats how
<ShaneonConduitrs> do you review the source code for everything
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> Yes
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> (Keep in mind I did it for a job)
<ShaneonConduitrs> that's 560 packages on average according to the statistics by fedora which is like 400K lines of source code to read multiple times a week
<ShaneonConduitrs> and in terms of physical access all i need to get access is 3 seconds with badUSB plugged in the port and you will never find out
<ShaneonConduitrs> and the attacks alike are way too many to name
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> "Noone" gets access to my equip...
<ShaneonConduitrs> 400K lines is probably an understatement assuming the amount of commits each software gets
<ShaneonConduitrs> DC-IRC: yes you can either live in a dreamworld where only you are allowed to touch your laptop or be realistic to see the risk and mitigate it as much as you can
<ShaneonConduitrs> using RK3399 is bad solution for that
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<ShaneonConduitrs> IgorPec: It seems that the current armbian has linux 6.1.15 for the sunxi edge kernel, can you bump it to that 6.2.X?
<ShaneonConduitrs> it's forcing downgrades on me atm @_@
<ShaneonConduitrs> linux-image-edge-sunxi64/bookworm,sid,now 23.02.2 arm64 [installed]
<ShaneonConduitrs> Linux kernel, armbian version 6.1.11-sunxi64 edge
<DC-IRC> <Werner> Try using armbian-config and switch to edge which is 6.2.y. current will most likely stay on 6.1.y until a new LTS kernel is released.
<ShaneonConduitrs> DC-IRC: this is edge though
<ShaneonConduitrs> seems that sunxi didn't get the kernle update on 6.2.x like other boards
<ShaneonConduitrs> linux-image-edge-sunxi64/bookworm,sid,now 23.02.2 arm64 [installed]
<ShaneonConduitrs> Linux kernel, armbian version 6.1.11-sunxi64 edge
<ShaneonConduitrs> ^^^^^
<ShaneonConduitrs> like installing from the daily builds gives it the 6.2.X kernel but when you try to install any package it downgrades it to that 6.1.11 which has DRM issues so it gets blank display on boot xD
<DC-IRC> <Werner> Hm indeed. Not shipped via apt (yet). Anyway you can use the build framework to build 6.2.12 kernel package
<DC-IRC> <Werner> You can also use armbian-config to freeze firmware packages
<ShaneonConduitrs> can i ship the new kernel somehow? i have access to attlasion
<ShaneonConduitrs> *attlasian
<DC-IRC> <Werner> so tl;dr: no, probably not
<ShaneonConduitrs> hmmmmm
<ShaneonConduitrs> i really need to figure out how to get my custom kernel for igor to merge for me to maintain~
<mlu> ooo, what's on 6.2.x and 6.3.x? :D
<ShaneonConduitrs> mlu: 6.2 has non-broken mesa for teres xD
<mlu> ooo, what's that? graphics on sunxi?
<ShaneonConduitrs> basically everything rendering
<ShaneonConduitrs> xD
<mlu> oh, teres is a sunxi board :)
<ShaneonConduitrs> yep
<mlu> how is it?
<ShaneonConduitrs> IgorPec: submitted https://github.com/armbian/os/pull/46 to hotfix by using legacy kernel optionally bump the sunxi kernel on 6.2
<ShaneonConduitrs> mlu: teres? great i do engineering and school on it :D
<ShaneonConduitrs> very comfy to use
<mlu> good to hear; might be getting one myself
<ShaneonConduitrs> dew itttt
<ShaneonConduitrs> take a look at mods too it has a bunch of them
<ShaneonConduitrs> i would get the USB-GIGABIT mod with it
<ShaneonConduitrs> <DC-IRC> "<Werner> You can also use..." <- is freezing the firmware going to prevent kernel downgrades?
<DC-IRC> <Werner> I don't know, never tried that 😄
<ShaneonConduitrs> hmmm might do some apt witchery then
<ShaneonConduitrs> IgorPec: Btw. Is the armbian-build past the big rework yet? i would like to work on the encryption and making custom release for olimex o.o
<ShaneonConduitrs> So like including the other olimex boards and stuff :3
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> "<ShaneonConduitrs> linux-image-edge-sunxi64/bookworm,sid,now 23.02.2 arm64 [installed]
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> [5:07 PM]
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> <ShaneonConduitrs> Linux kernel, armbian version 6.1.11-sunxi64 edge" you are saying EDGE image that was reproduced few days ago still have old kernel?
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> or its downgraded when running apt update and upgrade?
<ShaneonConduitrs> it has the edge kernel, but bcs the apt repository has the 6.1.x it forces downgrade
<IgorPec> ahaa, i see
<DC-IRC> <Werner> 6.1.11 is latest edge via apt
<ShaneonConduitrs> -> can you bump the kernel for sunxi?
<ShaneonConduitrs> Or hotfix: use legacy kernel for now https://github.com/armbian/os/pull/46
<ShaneonConduitrs> bcs the 6.1 is unable to even get a display to work
<ShaneonConduitrs> ShaneonConduitrs: * on Bookworm
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<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> i'll check this
<ShaneonConduitrs> thankuuu~ <3
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<engblom> Is armbian having own repositories or is it just a repacked debian?
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> armbian has what armbian doesn't and yes, it does not repack standard GNU utils - it re-uses debians or ubuntus
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> armbian has what debian doesn't
<engblom> IgorPec: so it got both debian repositories and additionally own repositories?
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> yes
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> core value is held by armbian
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> hardware support
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> ShaneonConduitrs this is a problem https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/5096
<ShaneonConduitrs> <DC-IRC> "<IgorPec> Shane on Conduit.rs ⚡️..." <- checking
<ShaneonConduitrs> change and mechanism noted, want something from me?
<ShaneonConduitrs> it doesn't seem like it would cause the issue though
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<ShaneonConduitrs> kinda seems like it would cause more issues now as you are allowing it to install non-armbian packages with priority
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> we host chromium and few others in our repo in order to avoid ubuntu snap override
<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> i am about to rebuild the image now ...
<ShaneonConduitrs> <DC-IRC> "<IgorPec> we host chromium and..." <- debian doesn't have that issue, why not mask them there?
<ShaneonConduitrs> <DC-IRC> "<IgorPec> i am about to rebuild..." <- noted~ ^-^
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<montar> i have armbian on my 1GB rock64
<montar> anyone suceeded in using it's built-in IR receiver?
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<DC-IRC> <IgorPec> ShaneonConduitrs check https://www.armbian.com/olimex-teres-a64/
<ShaneonConduitrs> Czech'd
<ShaneonConduitrs> noted the update will test them asap
<ShaneonConduitrs> thankuu
<DC-IRC> <kell> is it safe to rpi-update on armbian?
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<maybehelloworld> I'm trying to make an official PoE+ hat working on raspberry pi 4b with armbian 23.02 and it doesn't.
<maybehelloworld> dtoverlay=rpi-poe-plus added doesn't bring anything, cooling_device0 just does not exist in the /sys/class/thermal.
<maybehelloworld> dtoverlay -v rpi-poe-plus results in * Failed to apply overlay '0_rpi-poe-plus' (kernel)
<maybehelloworld> Nothing regarding poe in dmesg at all.
<maybehelloworld> Hat by itself is working (raspi is powered via PoE), but not the fan.
<maybehelloworld> kernel 5.15.92
<maybehelloworld> Questions:
<maybehelloworld> 1. Has anyone successfully used poe+ hat on raspi?
<maybehelloworld> 2. What are other possible steps I can do to check or debug?
<maybehelloworld> 3. Is it safe to use rpi-update on armbian? (in case something in rpi can fix it).
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<maybehelloworld> For context - on clean ubuntu 22.04 for raspberry PoE+ hat fan works correctly.
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<Tenkawa> maybehelloworld: in general rpi-update is not recommended to be used "at all" anymore
<Tenkawa> Use the distributions (Armbian in this case) update tools if you are going to update.
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<dhchunky> i have a question about my rk3328 board
<dhchunky> my question is: are these features included by default in the latest versions available for download? (jammy / bullseye)
<dhchunky> or, do i need to install a buster legacy version if i intend to use these multimedia features?
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> Which specific board do you have?
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<dhchunky> tenkawa, it's one of these: https://libre.computer/products/roc-rk3328-cc/
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<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> dhchunky: https://www.armbian.com/renegade/
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> there's an image there
<DC-IRC> <Jason123> Does the rk3328 support the same ffmpeg hardware acceleration patch as the rk3399 has?
<dhchunky> tenkawa, yes i have the images. i'm more asking about the multimedia script.
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<dhchunky> jason123, no idea. i'm a sbc n00b
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> You'd have to wait for someone else to chime in... I don't use video on my sbc's.. no need for it
<dhchunky> i've also posted my question in the librecomputer forum
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<dhchunky> ii just thought some folks here might know
<DC-IRC> <Tenkawa> There are... just might be a while.. especially on weekend
<DC-IRC> <Jason123> I do know the rk3399 has hardware acceleration ffmpeg and then I built mpv to use it
<DC-IRC> <Jason123> Looks like rkvdec supports rk3328
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