09:52 <Armbian-Discord> <j​azza> why i cant update it get rror klipper@pine64:~$ sudo apt update --allow-releaseinfo-change && sudo apt upgrade -y [sudo] password for klipper: Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid InRelease Hit:1 https://box64.debian.ryanfortner.dev/debian ./ InRelease Hit:3 http://sg-mirror.bret.dk/armbian/apt sid InRelease Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state

09:52 <Armbian-Discord> information... Done 5 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages will be upgraded: libbsd-dev libbsd0 libpam-modules libpam-modules-bin libpam-runtime 5 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B/1,001 kB of archives. After this

09:52 <ArmbianHelper> ^ Index of /debian

09:52 <Armbian-Discord> operation, 66.6 kB of additional disk space will be used. Preconfiguring packages ... (Reading database ... 65052 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../libpam-modules-bin_1.5.2-3_arm64.deb ... Unpacking libpam-modules-bin (1.5.2-3) over (1.5.2-2) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libpam-modules-bin_1.5.2-3_arm64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite

09:52 <Armbian-Discord> '/usr/share/man/man5/namespace.conf.5.gz', which is also in package libpam-modules:arm64 1.5.2-2 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libpam-modules-bin_1.5.2-3_arm64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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10:15 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> Hello I'm trying to have a custom boot logo, but after searching google for lile 3 days, I still haven't found a working solution. Does anyone have a working solution for me?

10:17 <yang2> jazza please use pastebin, like http://paste.debian.net next time

10:17 <ArmbianHelper> ^ Debian Pastezone

10:39 <Armbian-Discord> <j​azza> ok

10:53 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> robin: why would end user wants to change boot logo?

10:53 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> jazza: those problems are not related to armbian, but to the software installations or upstream

10:55 <IgorPec> debian sid packages are breaking up often, use stable branch

11:15 <Armbian-Discord> <j​azza> it was armbian sid after update 2 day ago and i note host os before say armbian 5.08.1 after update it turn to debian gnu/linux bookworm/sid than i try update today that why got error

11:21 <IgorPec> all userland packages are comming from Debian. We don't pack them nor provide

11:21 <IgorPec> Debian Sid is like Arch. Fresh packages that often run into troubles

11:22 <stipa> fresh mess

11:22 <IgorPec> i mean if you choose this, you have to know how to fix this

11:22 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> It's a question of my customer to have the default armbian logo replaced by it's own (the one you see on the boot screen)

11:22 <IgorPec> Robin: are you my customer and why not?

11:24 <Armbian-Discord> <j​azza> how come i did not change repo etc till end up into debian

11:25 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i don't know

11:25 <Armbian-Discord> <j​azza> ok

11:26 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> I also want to be able to make some sort of animated logo, but there is nothing to be found about that. Even changing the kernel files and rebuilding doesn't work.?

11:28 <stipa> find where temporary armbian logo is that you're seeing and fiddle with that

11:30 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> Robin: i am more then happy to help you

11:30 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> https://github.com/armbian/build#support

11:30 <ArmbianHelper> ^ GitHub - armbian/build: Armbian Linux Build Framework

11:34 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> I tried fiddling with it. nothing changes at all. Igor: that's why I'm here, for that section 'Alternatively free support is provided via general project search engine, documentation, community forums or IRC/Discord. Keep in mind this is mostly provided by our awesome community members in a best effort manner and therefore there are no guarenteed solutions.' There is no documentation whatsoever about the boot

11:34 <Armbian-Discord> screen. Only thing you can change is the fact that you see the boot logs or not. I want to be able to change the logo, just like you can do on an other os.

11:35 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and i told you that I am more then happy to help you

11:35 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> where is the problem now?

11:36 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> The problem is that I don't know how I can change the logo, so if you could maybe point me in the right direction (I already tried changing the logo and rebuilding the kernel and using a patch, but that didn't seem to work)

11:38 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i also have a problem. i don't have time to talk to you. Sorry

11:39 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> right in the middle of something

11:41 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> nice okay, I'll note it down, so the thing is I don't need your instant support on this, but like more in the "today" range

11:43 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> sure, but if your 3 days and another 3 days of time is worth nothing, we have nothing to discuess

11:45 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> You didn't name a price either

11:46 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> price is there. if you want an answer like now ... you need to have a contract

11:47 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but anyone can help you ... so you can leave me alone

11:47 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> Well, I didn't specifically ask for you, but you instant replied so ...

11:47 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i know. just giving you an option

12:07 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> So anyone else who is willing to help?

12:12 <stipa> cold you change the logo on an RPI ?

12:12 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i would kindly ask you to not try to apply any pressure as you don't have that right. You are using software that comes without any warranty whatsoever. Please be professional and respectful.

12:15 <stipa> there's something called "splash screen" on RPIs

12:16 <stipa> that should be enough to make your client happy

12:24 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> yeah no, that's not working, I tried

12:45 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Plymouth? Or kernel boot image?

12:51 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> kernel boot image, the one that is located (I think) here; https://github.com/armbian/build/tree/master/packages/blobs/splash

12:51 <ArmbianHelper> ^ build/packages/blobs/splash at master · armbian/build · GitHub

13:24 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> We should remove any pre-built images with unsupported/unstable userspace, especially sid, from download. Just causing annoyance...

13:30 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Then just build the kennel correctly.

13:30 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> difficult choice. perhaps better clarification

13:30 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> This isn't armbian special

13:30 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> as you can see people come here asking for things that has nothing to do with armbina

13:31 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Yes but in that case could have been avoided by not providing those

13:33 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if people would at least read - some do

13:33 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if you install debian sid variant you get that RED LETTER warning

13:33 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Does not even make sense to build those IMHO

13:33 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> no support ...

13:33 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> nobody reads those ^^

13:34 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this kind of images are Arch / Manjaro level

13:34 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Another reason to get rid of those

13:35 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> does this really happen that often to worry about?

13:35 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i am having some ideas to break that section into two clearly separated sections

13:35 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> to not mix stable with those

13:36 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> that would perhaps help

13:36 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> "Arch / Manjaro fans" - here you have

13:37 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> I'd simply not to waste resources on building on providing them since they make no sense. Even if you go build and check if there are issues coming up they give literally no clue about if they will be present at Debian Testing once the packages get into that branch. Then things become interesting but not with sid.

13:39 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> the case here is - it makes sense to someone, people that likes to try latest packages

13:39 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> latest gnome, latest xfce, latest php ... all this oob

13:39 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i also don't try to understand this, but people are playing with this.

13:40 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if they do it in production and come to complain ... its just funny

13:40 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> our job is probably just to make sure they understand

13:41 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> yeah, I play on sid.

13:41 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> And it's nice to already have things built.

13:41 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> But at the same time, I wouldn't complain if they were not published.

13:42 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> compromise - remove unstable exotics desktops

13:42 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> budgie and plasma are not in a very well state

13:43 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and move then into separate section

13:43 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Or do not provide unstable stuff not at all on hp but rather link to archive with the hint that complaining must be compensated with coffee 😉

13:45 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> one alternative solution is to expand community builds with everything

13:46 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its weekly build of jammy + sid, xfce, cli, .... for all non-supported targets

13:51 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> Maybe this is a reasonable topic for the Friday voice chat until we have some better governance, so maybe worth making some time to show up there and let's have a chat about it @Werner @IgorPec @ManoftheSea

13:52 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> @Werner of you want to do that maybe make a forum post on it and ask anyone interested in that topic to come?

13:52 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> I'm going to OBX this weekend. Probably won't be on.

13:53 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> @TheBug I can write in announcements channel about upcoming voice chat and mention that

13:54 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> Not promising a change but at least we can have a forum to make some valid arguments to consider how to proceed - get idea of how many actually use it and care about those images

13:54 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> You can give it a try if you want

13:54 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> opening a pool on forums as well?

13:55 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> or rather not?

13:55 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> nah, just collect opinions if there are any

14:03 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> @Werner well you will be the topics champion, so make sure if your gonna suggest it you come as well 🙂

14:04 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> I cannot. We're leaving saturday morning so I cannot stay up all night

14:04 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> Then maybe a topic more for next week

14:04 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> maybe you can own that and organize it for a week you can be here

14:08 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Either that or discuss without me this Friday. My POV is pretty simple and clear in terms of economics. Save human, computing and storage resources by getting rid of pre-built sid images. User who wants those can go ahead and simply build them so nothing is lost.

14:09 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> You are the one that believes in the issue, it makes most sense for you to be present to introduce it and give your view, then get feedback from the rest and use that as a gage to see how we go forward. Though if you want that change I think it is important you would attend as well.

14:10 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Yes but as mentioned I am fine with either this way or upcoming week

14:11 <Armbian-Discord> <T​heBug> we can wait 🙂 rather have you be able to be around when it's discussed..

14:11 <Armbian-Discord> <W​erner> Aight

14:11 <Armbian-Discord> <R​obin> Well, If I only knew how that the image is being processed and how I an change and build (because the docs really are undescriptive) I could just do it by myslef. But nope.

14:11 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> try yocto

14:12 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> https://docs.yoctoproject.org/2.5/mega-manual/mega-manual.html

14:12 <ArmbianHelper> ^ Yocto Project Mega-Manual

14:12 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> their manual is top, but i need 5 years to understand some of it

14:17 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> https://developer.toradex.com/linux-bsp/how-to/boot/splash-screen-on-the-linux-kernel/ This says the image has to be a ppm, and shows where to compile it into the kernel

14:17 <ArmbianHelper> ^ Splash Screen on the Linux Kernel | Toradex Developer Center

14:18 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> https://superuser.com/questions/736423/changing-kernel-bootsplash-image Here has more links

14:18 <ArmbianHelper> ^ linux - Changing kernel bootsplash image? - Super User

14:21 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> if we solve a problem for Jasone, he will not buy professional support service. how we will pay the bills for software he is using?

14:23 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> If he's not redistributing his source code, he's very quickly not going to have a license to sell linux to his customers.

14:24 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> And they'll have to come here.

14:24 <Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> (and demand free support)

14:25 <Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and people will look me strange as i will ban him after very first try ... I don't want to build such a relatinship

19:10 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> howdy! who can instruct me on "pogo pins"? ref: khadas edge2's uart.

19:11 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> khadas verbiage is "Pogo Pads"

19:11 <Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> wth?

20:57 <[TheBug]> rpardini: not being sarcastic, but what is confusing about that?

20:57 <[TheBug]> basically you will have a set of pads there instead of uart pins

20:57 <[TheBug]> and the pins will be on the connecting device

20:57 <[TheBug]> it's use for example on Pine watch

20:58 <[TheBug]> where you push the adapter onto the pads and the pins have a bit of spring to them so if used with a jif it can keep steady connection

20:58 <[TheBug]> jig*

20:58 <[TheBug]> it can also be used to mate two boards

20:59 <[TheBug]> where say one board is screwed down above the other and pogo pins stcik out of bottom of one board and touch pads on the other

20:59 <[TheBug]> anyways not sure what info you were wanting but hopefully that helps?

23:49 <stipa> https://hackaday.com/2022/10/06/exploring-the-cutting-edge-of-desktop-arm-hardware/

23:49 <ArmbianHelper> ^ Exploring The Cutting Edge Of Desktop ARM Hardware | Hackaday