<acathla>
gatecat, what makes you think that about fpga vendors? They seem to spend a lot of money on their *#!?$* software, that's just to sell hardware?
<tnt>
acathla: I know at least when I was working for a company doing ip cores, Xilinx was just giving us licenses for free ...
<acathla>
That's a strange strategy...
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<Sarayan>
acathla: without a toolchain they couldn't sell the hardware in the first place
<Sarayan>
they couldn't test their hardware either
<Sarayan>
and we don't really have the gcc/llvm of fpgas yet
<Sarayan>
(not sure if we'll ever have it)
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<acathla>
I understand the need for a toolchain, but why is it so expensive? You can't use it with vivado with a Lattice FPGA.
<tnt>
acathla: it appears expensive to you because you're not the target market :)
<tnt>
I mean, if you take an engineer costing 100k$ a year to his employer, 5k more for the license he'll use everyday isn't too bad.
<tnt>
the license is also only needed for the build so you can often do away with a single floating one for a whole team since they're not going to do builds all day.
<tnt>
(at least where I worked, most stuff was done by sim, only going to hw as the very last steps)
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<Sarayan>
you don't need to license for ip instanciation and sim too?
<tnt>
You'll only need the license when doing the actual build of the IP, not when configuring it.
<tnt>
For sim, good question ... I must admit we were using modelsim which is licensed independently.
<tnt>
I mean, you can use the webpack license for sim AFAIK and I don't think the 'enterprise' version has any advantage, but ... to be checked, I'm not 100% on that one.
<acathla>
I'm clearly not the target market =)
<tnt>
The free version does support quite a few devices though.
<tnt>
The ones it doesn't are quite high end and "hobbyist" pretty much only get them second-hand I think.
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