<dvergatal>
rburton: Now i get what I asked wrong. Instead of asking "How to add task to a setscene?" I should ask "How to add dependency to setscene tasks?"
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<jclsn>
khem: Okay, will do
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<jclsn>
khem: You could boot the Pi Zero though?
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<Blok>
I am trying to add tools-profile to image features, but the build fails with
<Blok>
ERROR: binutils-2.38-r0 do_package_qa: QA Issue: /usr/lib/libctf.so.0.0.0 contained in package binutils requires libbfd-2.38.20220708.so()(64bit), but no providers found in RDEPENDS:binutils?
<Blok>
Am I missing something?
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<RP>
dvergatal: setscene tasks are not meant to have dependencies. It is fraught with problems and it is why I've not been able to give you pointers on how to fix things, I really don't know :(
<dvergatal>
RP: ahhhh ok
<mckoan>
I'd like to create a kind of desktopstyle distro with Yocto kirkstone, could you suggest a Window Manger that works with XWayland?
<RP>
mckoan: mutter?
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<dvergatal>
RP: than this is a huge problem because the patchset will not work with tar < 1.35
<RP>
dvergatal: I know :(
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<dvergatal>
RP: OK I need a break from it, we need to discuss it somehow with others later on
<RP>
dvergatal: inter-setscene task dependencies can be made and some code does do this, e.g. useradd and in the target case, pseudo-native. People just don't realise how bad an idea it is. For example, if it has to build tar-native, it means it cannot use any target sstate at all.
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<RP>
tar has a much bigger dependency chain than anything we've ever had to do this with before
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<dvergatal>
RP: I'm aware of this
<RP>
I really don't know what to recommend
<RP>
dvergatal: ok, if you're aware of it I'll just shut up
<dvergatal>
RP: no, don't shut up:P i didn't mean you to do it
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<mckoan>
RP: thanks
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<dvergatal>
RP: maybe I used wrong word "aware"
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<dvergatal>
RP: what I meant is that i guess that tar is problematic because as rburton pointed that out from the begining of this issue that it unpacks everything
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<RP>
dvergatal: right, it is a really hard problem and I'm not sure how we can solve it. I'm being pulled in too many directions to be able to focus enough on it to be of much help :(
<dvergatal>
RP: sure thing that is why I have written that we should talk on it with more ppl
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<RP>
dvergatal: sadly the number of people with the knowledge and time to deep dive into an issue like that is limited. I do what I can but...
<dvergatal>
RP: not necessarily immediately
<RP>
dvergatal: this use case isn't something a lot of people have a pressing need for either, they're not going to want the performance hit from making the changes :/
<dvergatal>
OK so what you propouse?
<RP>
dvergatal: I don't know
<dvergatal>
RP: now I'm confused and dunno what to write:P
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<kanavin>
dvergatal, is the problem that the code needs tar 1.35 from the get go?
<dvergatal>
kanavin: unfortunatelly yes
<RP>
kanavin: you need tar 1.35 to extract sstate objects, i.e. at setscene time
<RP>
the one thing in our favour is it is only target ones
<dvergatal>
kanavin: even worse because it is being used by opkg
<dvergatal>
RP:
<dvergatal>
^^
<kanavin>
then make the code opt-in via distro feature, and have it check the version and refuse to proceed if it's not suitable, suggesting building and installing buildtools first?
<RP>
dvergatal: opkg is easy, the problem is do_package and do_populate_sysroot. The latter we could ignore, the former is hard
<RP>
kanavin: the conditional code that will add all over is horrible :(
<dvergatal>
RP: yeah for opkg it is already added with this PACKAGE_DEPENDS and EXTRANATIVEPATH
<dvergatal>
RP: the only issue is what you have said with sstate
<kanavin>
there's also the option of maintaining it out of tree until 1.35 is widespread
<dvergatal>
kanavin: yeah i thought about it
<kanavin>
kernel's preempt-rt style. I know it's painful :-/
<dvergatal>
but still what about ppl who are still using old stuff?
<kanavin>
what kind of old stuff?
<dvergatal>
kanavin: I meant that some companies e.g. which are using misra rules etc. are using really old systems and I wanted to avoid such an approach that 1.35 is widespread because these old systems are frozen for 10 years of production
<dvergatal>
kanavin: nevertheless, this is a bit of a weak argument because they can always update the tar...
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<kanavin>
dvergatal, you need to find someone else who is interested in this
<kanavin>
keeping this going becomse easier then
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<dvergatal>
kanavin: generally we can do this aproach you have proposed about "maintaining it out of tree until 1.35 is widespread" I agree with that
<dvergatal>
approach*
<dvergatal>
RP: what's your opinion?
<RP>
dvergatal: I guess I'm not the one who'd be maintaining it so I'm not sure my opinion is that relevant...
<kanavin>
dvergatal, you can set up a repo, then make an announcement on the mailing lists. If you get issues/pull requests, that can form the beginnings of a community, or at least having that 'someone else'.
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<dvergatal>
kanavin: RP: I think that the easiest approach would be to wait for 1.35 is widespread and we can come back to this conversation than
<dvergatal>
btw. can we do some additional check for tar that it is in proper version? I've seen this sanity check which is actually doing that but never verified it
<RP>
dvergatal: the code in sanity.bbclass should cover that
<dvergatal>
RP: kanavin: ok so my proposal is that I will remove the code that uses tar-native in the patchset and add the check in sanity.bbclass, than we can do tests when 1.35 will be widespread or earlier with proper build distro but this subject is up to you to decide
<kanavin>
dvergatal, it will be years I'm afraid. what with all the rhel clones and their enterprise support windows.
<kanavin>
or maybe they'll all be on buildtools tarball, or already are by then
<kanavin>
but what kind of check do you want to perform in sanity?
<dvergatal>
kanavin: version of tar that it is >= 1.35
<dvergatal>
the host tar
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<kanavin>
dvergatal, and what would the check print if it is not?
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<dvergatal>
to install the proper one on the host?
<kanavin>
sure, but this can't go into mainline, can it?
<dvergatal>
kanavin: I dunno I'm just catching up for a proper solution
<dvergatal>
hmmm I should say rather searching instead of catching up:P
<kanavin>
dvergatal, basically we need to wait at least until current fedora/ubuntu/debian all carry it. We can't ask people to install something their distro in its most recent version doesn't provide.
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<dvergatal>
kanavin: ok so than without this check
<kanavin>
dvergatal, if you maintain the patchset out of tree then you should absolutely perform it
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<dvergatal>
kanavin: yeah I get it, but I was talking about applying it to the tree, we will come back to this talk at least until current fedora/ubuntu/debian will carry it
<dvergatal>
or before if I will somehow discover a proper solution for setscene... right now i'm really exhausted with it
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<mckoan>
RP: mutter was skipped: missing required distro feature 'polkit' (not in DISTRO_FEATURES)
<mckoan>
RP: I need a WM for xwayland
<rburton>
mckoan: i'd say don't use mutter unless you plan on using all of gnome
<rburton>
speaking of which i've been meaning to try rootful xwayland with matchbox inside
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<mckoan>
rburton: I could use all gnome because I need a desktop like distro
<rburton>
in that case enable polkit as you'll need it for more of gnome
<mckoan>
rburton: however I am testing matchbox-wm now trying to solve runtime conflicts with weston
<mckoan>
rburton: polkit is forbidden by DISTRO
<rburton>
forbidden?
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<rburton>
mckoan: good news! i can't see a polkit dependency in mutter's meson files. delete it and see what happens.
<rburton>
mckoan: add polkit to your DISTRO_FEATURES
<rburton>
if you want gnome then you need polkit. if you refuse to enable polkit then you cant use gnome.
<mckoan>
rburton: LOL that's clear. So the only solution is to have X11 and now Xwayland
<mckoan>
* and not
<RP>
mckoan: why can't you use polkit out of interest?
<rburton>
i don't know what your problem is. if you want to build gnome stuff then just enable polkit
<rburton>
this is all entirely separate from x vs wayland
<mckoan>
rburton: it is not separate because DISTRO is xwayland
<mckoan>
it is a dependency
<rburton>
what distro is that?
<mckoan>
fsl-imx-xwayland
<rburton>
<shrugs> add polkit
<rburton>
the important word in that layer name is _demos_
<rburton>
just add polkit
<rburton>
to be clear by "i don't know what your problem is" i meant I don't understand what the problem you're trying to solve is. wayland vs x11 isn't relevant, gnome wants polkit therefore enable polkit if you want gnome.
<rburton>
arguably the polkit distro feature could disappear, I'm not sure how many components keep it as an optional feature these days
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<neverpanic>
well, stricly speaking people could be replacing polkit with something like groupcheck, which implements the polkit protocol but doesn't use JavaScript as rules: https://github.com/ostroproject/groupcheck
<neverpanic>
But since polkit now supports duktape as JS engine, this probably isn't as bad as it used to be.
<JaMa>
true but they will still use polkit DISTRO_FEATURE to enable polkit support in all the other recipes right (even when they use groupcheck for the implementation)
* RP
imagines explaining to management that the system is bound together with duktape
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<neverpanic>
Yeah, they all use the polkit feature, they just have a different provider for the polkit dependency.
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* LetoThe2nd
imagines watching RP explaining
<neverpanic>
RP: No, you should explain that duktape sits right at the boundary between unprivileged processes that attempt to do privileged operations :D
<JaMa>
in a system used for geoglue? :)
<mckoan>
RP, rburton: thanks , I'm digging deeper
<RP>
neverpanic: "we've used duktape to fix the privileged operation security issues"? :)
<RP>
we need to put that in some release notes
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<LetoThe2nd>
RP: that sounds almost as sensible as the git tags we inventet yesterday evening with krzk
<jclsn>
Really weird issue with meta-raspberrypi. When I build a clean image for the Pi Zero, I can boot sucessfully. As soon as I add any package e.g. IMAGE_INSTALL += "dropbear", this happens https://github.com/agherzan/meta-raspberrypi/issues/1229
<JaMa>
jclsn: always use bitbake-getvar or bitbake -e if you don't know the metadata or what you're doing
<jclsn>
JaMa: I was assuming I knew what I was doing
<rburton>
fwiw, CORE_IMAGE_EXTRA_INSTALL is useful for "put these extra packages in the image" until you actually write your own image recipe. (which you should do when you stop hacking)
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<jclsn>
Just hacking here but thx
<JaMa>
jclsn: fair, but then when it doesn't boot I would always check with bitbake-getwar to see what changed unexpectedly after I've added 'IMAGE_INSTALL += "dropbear"'
<JaMa>
as bitbake-getvar is always correct and often faster than reply on IRC (and sometimes also reveals that I still have something in local.conf which I've already forgot about)
<rburton>
<cough> my local.conf is 500 lines, it's 99% something i've forgotten about
<JaMa>
I've split my local.conf with bunch of "require" to make it easier to forget something :)
<LetoThe2nd>
i don't have a local.conf. if its not in the kas file, it doesn't exist.
<jclsn>
Yeah works. Solved
<JaMa>
I don't use kas for random local tests
<jclsn>
JaMa: Yeah I should
<jclsn>
Anyone ever signed the Widevine TA here?
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<jclsn>
Is there a way to clean up old sstate-cache?
<jclsn>
other than deleting the whole cache and rebuilding
<JaMa>
yes, see oe-core/scripts/sstate-cache-management.sh
<rburton>
jclsn: if that script is too complex then find /path/to/sstate -type -f -atime +60 -delete works (delete any file not accessed for 2 months)
<jclsn>
Thanks
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<JaMa>
if you don't use noatime for fs with sstate-cache
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<alperak>
Hi :]
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<Nonkel>
Hello
<Nonkel>
I’m currently busy with trying to build “systemd-journal-remote” in my image. Unfortunately, without success.
<Nonkel>
I add this with IMAGE_INSTALL:append = " systemd-journal-remote"
<Nonkel>
And after launching the build I got always this error:
<Nonkel>
Added oe-repo repo from /home/user/imx-yocto-bsp/som/tmp/work/visionsom_8mm_cb-poky-linux/somlabs-image/1.0-r0/oe-rootfs-repo
<Nonkel>
User-Agent: falling back to 'libdnf': could not detect OS or basearch
<Nonkel>
repo: using cache for: oe-repo
<Nonkel>
oe-repo: using metadata from Tue 14 Nov 2023 01:55:28 PM UTC.
<Nonkel>
No match for argument: systemd-journal-remote
<Nonkel>
Error: Unable to find a match: systemd-journal-remote
<RP>
jonmason: I can tell Crofton is on your right :)
<JPEW>
khem: I think you hashserver database is corrupt? I don't see the error in the logs. We have WAL mode in the database, but not synchronous mode so e.g. an unexpected power down can corrupt the DB (but this is not new)
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<jonmason>
RP: no, he's in the front. I'm next to zeddii
<jonmason>
all the cool kids sit in the back
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<jclsn>
khem: I fixed it. It was my fault. I used += instead of .=
<jclsn>
Just need to fix the locale thing. I guess localedef would be needed for that
<khem>
this is with latest master-next branch from Alex
<khem>
so I guess my PR server is getting hosed ... hmm
<Saur>
RP: Regarding oe-selftest and HE: there is one test in meta/lib/oeqa/selftest/cases/sstatetests.py (run_test_cdn_mirror) that configures BB_HASHSERVE_UPSTREAM to hashserv.yocto.io:8687, and it is also configured by the DevtoolBase class in meta/lib/oeqa/selftest/cases/devtool.py, so there it is active for all the devtool tests.
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<fray>
last master sync I did Friday. PR server is working for me, it does display debugging, but works
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<Nonkel>
after hours of building i got these error "file /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d conflicts between attempted installs of systemd-1:250.5-r0.armv8a and polkit-0.119-r0.armv8a" any suggestion how to solve this?
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<rburton>
Nonkel: permissions are mismatched. both recipes should install that directory with the same ownership, and they probably don't.
<rburton>
Nonkel: easiest way is to list the package contents and see what one needs to be fixed
<Nonkel>
I have no idea how to start with this, sorry
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<khem>
you need to fix polkit-0 recipe to set the perms correctly