00:59 <kjetilho> I grew up with BASIC, which stored programs as tokens rather than text. so PRINT was a specific code, which could be translated to "SKRIV" or whatever. it would be compatible across languages, you saved it to tape (or floppy) and could read it in a computer where you had selected a different main language

01:00 <kjetilho> Excel does a similar thing, they translate functions like AGGREGATE() to MENGDE() and AND() to OG() (this is Norwegian). unfortunately it was only half-way implemented, so English spreadsheets are translated to Norwegian (or other languages) - but spreadsheets stored in Norwegian are only readable in Norwegian Excel!!!

01:01 <kjetilho> so... it *would* be possible to implement this sensibly, but I have not seen a successful attempt - yet.

01:13 <mange> I'm not really convinced it would be possible to implement this sensibly, particularly because of what o0x1eef said: as soon as you move outside of "Ruby" into the Gem ecosystem (which is needed for most real-world software development) you run into problems. Translating things gets a lot harder once there are user-defined names involved.

01:14 <mange> Where by "user" I mean "people outside of core Ruby".

01:30 <o0x1eef> I think it could be fine if you were teaching French students, or in other specialized contexts but as a general solution I think it would cause more problems than it solves. It also helps to speak one language. Imagine if we start to have libraries in French, English, Arabic, etc. This quickly becomes a mess. I think it's actually good that there is a common language (English in this case)

04:43 <constxd> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21015

04:43 <constxd> based or cringe?

13:29 <rindolf> Hi all! Where is the "Rakefile"s' "Dir[]" builtin, documented?

13:32 <rindolf> hmm... there is a mysterious "binding" symbol too

13:33 <o0x1eef> https://docs.ruby-lang.org/en/master/Dir.html#method-c-5B-5D

13:34 <o0x1eef> https://docs.ruby-lang.org/en/master/Binding.html

13:43 <rindolf> o0x1eef: hi. thanks. so each and every ruby program contains these symbols in the main namespace?

13:45 <o0x1eef> Both are part of 'core' Ruby - yep

13:45 <o0x1eef> Shouldn't have to require anything for them to be available

13:52 <constxd> rindolf: yes. incredibly based, isn't it?

13:52 <constxd> embrace maximalism

14:06 <rindolf> constxd: what is "based" in that context?

14:09 <constxd> come on bro it's 2025

14:10 <llua> the age median is a bit higher on irc than say discord

14:10 <constxd> put simply, it's the opposite of cringe

14:11 <constxd> batteries included prelude: based

14:11 <constxd> import Dir from std.fs: cringe

14:28 <kjetilho> I think "based" is a very tricky word, since it seems used ironically more often than not.

15:53 <ZAJDAN> hi. in my code I pass password in system call command in plain text. Is any way how to make the password unredable?

15:53 <rindolf> constxd: i see. "too many memes. too little time"

15:54 <rindolf> ZAJDAN: have the command read from a file?

15:54 <ZAJDAN> rindolf: the command does login to database

15:55 <rindolf> not into a ps visible command line

15:55 <ZAJDAN> rindolf: what do You mean?

15:55 <rindolf> ZAJDAN: which database implementation?

15:56 <ZAJDAN> rindolf: HANA database

15:56 <rindolf> ZAJDAN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps_(Unix)

15:57 <constxd> if that's how the database works there's not much u can do

15:58 <constxd> like

15:58 <constxd> what is that actual command u are invoking

15:58 <rindolf> ZAJDAN: this HANA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_HANA ?

15:59 <ZAJDAN> constxd: Do You want to say, that when database use for login(user/password) I can do nothing to hide the password in code?

15:59 <ZAJDAN> rindolf: yes SAP HANA

15:59 <rindolf> ZAJDAN: ah

15:59 <constxd> if the database requires you to provide the password as a command line argument, then yeah

16:00 <constxd> that would be unusual though. but then again, it's unusual to interact with a database using system() to begin with

16:01 <ZAJDAN> ruby has not such gem to communicate with HANA database

16:01 <constxd> what is the command

16:02 <ZAJDAN> ha! https://help.sap.com/docs/HANA_SERVICE_CF/1efad1691c1f496b8b580064a6536c2d/0e869c29bc384495a9a242ef681882c4.html

16:02 <constxd> W

16:04 <ZAJDAN> constxd: `./hdbsql -n localhost -u ADMIN -p MyPassword "SELECT * FROM OCRD ;"` ...for example

16:07 <ZAJDAN> https://github.com/SAP-archive/activerecord-hana-adapter ...is it just for Rails or it could be used in Ruby code also?

16:09 <ZAJDAN> but anyway I see that the gem uses yml file where is stored login in plain text

16:25 <constxd> i mean u can just copy out the parts u need

16:26 <constxd> like u wanna use ODBC to connect to the db

16:26 <constxd> then it's fine

16:26 <constxd> you can make the config file non-readable by unprivileged users

16:27 <constxd> the issue with passing it on the command line is that anybody can read procfs (using something like top(1) or ps(1) as mentioned by rindolf) and see the password there

16:32 <rindolf> constxd++ # explaining