00:28 <NickH> tiosgz: you seem to have just restarted my question. My point is short of hackign kanshi, how do I know what string it is actually trying to match.

00:30 <NickH> Hmm, I can try adding whitespace to the end of the string, but other than you suggesting it, how would I know that is something I should do?

06:56 <RZ_MJ[m]> I hope it is ok to ask this here: can someone recommend a wayland compositor as minimal as river, but floating? I do like tiling in principle but most current windows changing size each time I open/close one gets annoying. With tmux and browser bookmarks switching back and forth shouldn't be to painful.

06:58 <angry_vincent> hikari?

06:59 <angry_vincent> it is quite different from all

07:08 <RZ_MJ[m]> Hikaris manpage (https://hikari.acmelabs.space/manpage.html) lists some complicated requirements to lock the screen while swaylock just works on sway and river. Thats why I shyed away from hikari, but I might install it and try figuring locking out after all.

07:44 <tiosgz> NickH: err, i should've looked better: kanshi doesn't leave trailing space, but leaves "Unknown" for unknown stuff

07:45 <tiosgz> you can know thanks to one great thing about free/open-source software :) https://git.sr.ht/~emersion/kanshi/tree/master/item/main.c#L26

07:46 <tiosgz> (btw emersion what do you think about documenting the difference between wlroots' and kanshi's output description?)

07:49 <tiosgz> NickH: damn, again misread. sorry, seems i'm too unfocused these days

08:18 <emersion> tiosgz: this is not an output description

08:18 <emersion> it's what sway calls an output identifier

08:18 <tiosgz> err, did i again misread something?

08:19 <tiosgz> does sway expose some other thing as well?

08:20 <tiosgz> thanks for correcting me, either way

13:25 <bonetti> Hello

14:20 <ifreund> o7

14:38 <bonetti> Say, I'm trying to figure out river

14:39 <bonetti> but when I start a session my wifi doesn't seem to be working

14:39 <bonetti> am I missing something or am I just dumb

14:40 <bonetti> everything works just fine if I run it from tty from another session

14:55 <novakane> bonetti: river has nothing to fi

14:55 <RZ_MJ[m]> I'm confused. How can river mess up wifi, I thought those are completely different things?

14:55 <RZ_MJ[m]> What tool do you use to log into wifi? Can you reenable the connection there?

14:55 <novakane> do with the wifi, you probably forget to run something at launch

14:56 <novakane> send enter to quick, my bad

14:56 <RZ_MJ[m]> And I accidantally newlined in my message, sorry if the bridge made it weird.

15:01 <bonetti> i just used the regular plasma one before, should I login into an access point with Im or something? what do you use for this?

15:02 <RZ_MJ[m]> I use nmtui. Rarely, like every other week, the connection breaks (nothing about river) and I just reenable it with sudo nmtui.

15:07 <bonetti> ok I'll try that, thanks

15:09 <novakane> I use iwd, never had a problem with it, easy and work

16:20 <leon-p> network manager on most distributions uses wpa_supplicant for WiFi which, frankly, sucks. you can replace it with iwd or use iwd standalone

16:20 <leon-p> oh, they left