05:26 <ino> hi guys! i am having a problem with rivertile. everytime I open up a new window, it pushes my working window on the right, and opens an empty window on the left. If I want something that is, my working window will not be displaced, but new empty windows will be pushed to the right side...is that possible with rivertile? thanks! :)

06:38 <novakane> ino: use `attach-mode bottom`, to let your main window stay at the same place

08:03 <novakane> damn I thought my latest implementation of urgency would be good, but I can't make it works with river-tags-overlay, I got an error

08:03 <novakane> message too short, object (9), message view_tags(a)

08:03 <novakane> ERROR: wl_display_dispatch: Invalid argument.

08:04 <novakane> don't know if it's from river or my patch of river-tag-overlay :/

08:06 <ifreund> novakane: that sounds like you have a mismatch in protocol xml between river and river-tag-overlay

08:11 <novakane> ifreund: oh damn thanks I'm dumb, yeah urgent_tags and view_tags were inversed

08:11 <novakane> Looks like everything in xdg_activation finally works :D

08:12 <ifreund> :)

08:12 <novakane> should be good on my side before a review

08:12 <ifreund> I should have time to test/review tomorrow afternoon

08:12 <novakane> cool :)

08:15 <novakane> first time I was making a server sending event instead of a client receivingg it, new experience :P

08:31 <ino> novakane thank you so much! your solution fixed my problem!! :) :) :)

11:10 <novakane> add a page in the wiki for protocols https://github.com/ifreund/river/wiki/River-protocols

11:11 <novakane> just river-layout for now

11:15 <novakane> feel free to improve it

13:21 <ifreund> https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/pull/3117

13:21 <ifreund> \o/

13:25 <novakane> oh nice!

13:27 <ino> ✨

13:28 <novakane> gonna be really nice for all wayland compositors when this is implemented

13:50 <leon-p> ah, sweet! moving all that logic into wlroots definitely makes the jobs of compositor developers easier. I feel like damage tracking being non-trivial is the major reason for compositor projects to be abandonded. maybe with this eventually the "projects which use wlroots" wiki page won't be such a graveyard.

20:28 <ino> hi guys. i didnt understand one thing about vim/neovim text editors. if the developers claim them to be minimalist in design, then why do they ship "netrw" file manager that has lots of problems? when i tried to use it, it sometimes opened wrong buffers, and made the window unresponsive, then I had to replace with vifm (and later nerdtree) which

20:28 <ino> were very convenient to use. my question is that wouldnt it be nicer if they shipped a bare minimum editor and people would install file managers as they'd want to? :)

20:32 <ifreund> ino: I don't think either claims to be minimal?

20:33 <ifreund> vim is literally vi with 10x more features

20:33 <ino> owwww.

20:34 <ino> now i think true minimalism is somewhat like a "myth".

20:34 <ifreund> why is minimalism your goal?

20:35 <ino> haha. i dont know. when i was on windows i never cared about bloat. but when i came in this world i heard this word so much this became my dream.

20:36 <yyp> FYI If you want a minimalist text editor, kakoune or vis are good options

20:37 <ifreund> I don't find kakoune to be particularly minimalist

20:37 <yyp> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

20:37 <ifreund> though it's certainly a bit more unixy than vim

20:38 <ino> thanks yyp! i am using kakoune and a other one (helix) and i am loving kakoune. but i am still trying to understand its config rues.

20:38 <ifreund> for example, kakoune doesn't implement it's own window management

20:45 <ino> my kakoune took ~1 second to load when it had plugins enabled (specially kak-lsp) now i removed them and it loads very fast now, with the blink of eye. i will to simple text editing on kakoune now on and heavy programming tasks on vscode, since it has lot of extensions.

20:46 <ino> what do you code of isaac?

20:46 <ino> *code on

20:46 <ino> geez i am having lots of spelling mistake on libera

20:47 <ifreund> I use kakoune, also this is probably better fit for #river-offtopic since that exists now

20:47 <ino> owww sorry i forgot