01:38 <edrex[m]> has anyone created a general-purpose protocol explorer client, like eg d-feet for dbus? seems like that would be a fun exercise and maybe useful for other devs

01:39 <edrex[m]> just found #_oftc_#wayland:matrix.org

01:57 <wrl> ifreund: hey, should i create a GH issue for that xwayland crashing bug? it's been biting me pretty hard

06:58 <ifreund> wrl: yes please, I haven't been able to reproduce or see where the bug is from that stack trace

10:14 <ifreund> wrl: if you want to help track it down, reproducind it while running river in valgrind could be *very* useful

10:14 <ifreund> prefereably with wlroots debug symbols as well, though that may not be 100% necessary

10:15 <ifreund> I spent a while looking through river's code trying to figure it out from the stack trace you gave me, but I couldn't figure out what river was doing wrong

10:16 <ifreund> sway seems to have nearly the exact same logic, so I suspect the stacktrace may be misleading and the real bug is some other memory issue, which valgrind is great at revealing

10:55 <leon-p> edrex[m]: if you want a protocol explorer, there is this: https://wayland.app/protocols/

10:55 <leon-p> although I personally don't find it particularly useful

10:55 <leon-p> after some time you just get used to reading the XML files

12:27 <ifreund> leon-p: I think edrex[m] was talking more about an actual wayland client used for introspection/debugging

12:28 <ifreund> edrex[m]: wlhax has been very useful for inspecting what complex clients like firefox are doing: https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/wlhax

18:33 <leon-p> found another bug: views appearing while another one is fullscreened are not on the "recently focused"-list and will not be focused when all other views are closed

18:43 <Nulo> Hey! How do I set the keyboard layout?

18:44 <yyp> Nulo: set XKB_DEFAULT_LAYOUT environment variable

18:44 <Nulo> Is there a way to set options and variants?

18:45 <yyp> Yes, XKB_DEFAULT_OPTIONS

18:46 <Nulo> Okay, thanks! I assume there's no way to set it on runtime?

18:46 <yyp> There was some work on that

18:47 <yyp> https://github.com/ifreund/river/pull/303

18:47 <leon-p> Nulo: not yet. I skipped keyboard when working on input configuration because it is not as straight forward to do

18:48 <yyp> I think you can set that in xkb context, no?

18:50 <leon-p> yyp: yes, but it does not really map to our model of setting configs for individual devices

18:51 <leon-p> xkb layouts are a global thing, not per device

18:53 <leon-p> if you want per-device keyboard layouts, you have to "cheat" by changing the global layout depending on which device sends key events. sway does this IIRC

18:53 <leon-p> but I don't think it's worth the complexity TBH

18:55 <yyp> Well, xkb is not something that takes over the input system, you need to forward keys to it. So what prevents from just switching the context (1 configured device = 1 context) keys are sent to the selected device?

18:55 <yyp> *for the

18:55 <Nulo> Is there no way to hot-reload the config? Like, by resetting everything before re-running the config script

18:56 <yyp> No

18:56 <leon-p> Nulo: there is a plan to eventually have some sort of reset command.

18:56 <yyp> You can just re-run the config script, which does work 99% of the time unless you have something completely incorrect set up

18:57 <Nulo> Anything other than Waybar to use as a bar?

18:57 <yyp> yambar

18:57 <Nulo> Well, it keeps old keybindss that way

18:57 <yyp> https://codeberg.org/dnkl/yambar

18:58 <yyp> It should override old keybindings

19:00 <leon-p> yyp: xkb does not actually send key chars to the clients. The server sends xkb key symbols to the client as well as some data to generate a keymap from. The keysym to char conversion happens client side. To change the layout, you have to send new layout data to the client.

19:00 <yyp> Ok

19:01 <leon-p> in practice this means per-device kb layouts are a little hacky, just as per-window layouts, but per-client layouts are perfectly supported

19:55 <snakedye> Nulo: I use eww for my bar

21:56 <Nulo> Is there any resource for learning how to use river "in practice"? Maybe bspwm or dwm resources that also apply to river?

22:35 <Nulo> The media window from Telegram goes floating instead off fullscreen. This works fine in Sway