08:07 <tumbleweed> mattip: great :)

10:34 <lesshaste> mattip, I just tried it. I now get https://bpa.st/JKYQ

10:35 <mattip> right, we still have not figured out why creating a virtual environment with "python -m venv" does not properly symlink tkinter

10:35 <mattip> please try

10:35 <lesshaste> ok

10:35 <mattip> sudo apt install virtualenv

10:35 <mattip> virtualenv -p <path/to/pypy3/bin/pypy> /tmp/venv

10:37 <lesshaste> trying it with the new env

10:37 <tumbleweed> does it *need* to symlink virtualenv?

10:37 <lesshaste> mattip, that works

10:37 <tumbleweed> virtualenv doesn't seem to

10:38 <lesshaste> it creates a lot of things in lib

10:38 <lesshaste> https://bpa.st/OZ3Q

10:39 <lesshaste> which python -m venv doesn't creat

10:39 <tumbleweed> doesn't for me

10:39 <tumbleweed> I assume you're using a pypy.org distributed pypy3, with bundled libs

10:39 <lesshaste> virtualenv --version

10:39 <lesshaste> virtualenv 20.13.0+ds from /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/virtualenv/__init__.py

10:40 <tumbleweed> which would explain why you need that symlink

10:40 <lesshaste> tumbleweed, I am using the pypy3 linked from the pypy website

10:40 <tumbleweed> yeah, I understand your issue now

10:40 <lesshaste> python --version

10:40 <lesshaste> Python 3.8.13 (4b1398fe9d76ad762155d03684c2a153d230b2ef, Mar 29 2022, 07:08:24)

10:40 <lesshaste> [PyPy 7.3.9 with GCC 10.2.1 20210130 (Red Hat 10.2.1-11)]

10:41 <lesshaste> if there was some way to pip install pypy that would be so much better of course!

10:50 <mattip> it seems like a bug in stdlib venv, that we should fix in the pypy we distribute

10:51 <mattip> since we call that a "portable pypy"

10:54 <lesshaste> that would be great

19:57 <hexology> how does pypy work with traditional cpython c extensions? does it implement a compatibility interface of some kind?

20:07 <Hodgestar> hexology: Yes. The compatibility layer is called cpyext.

20:08 <Hodgestar> hexology: One place to start reading about the workings of cpyext -- https://www.pypy.org/posts/2018/09/inside-cpyext-why-emulating-cpython-c-8083064623681286567.html

20:08 <hexology> Hodgestar: thanks! and pypy *also* implements hpy?

20:08 <hexology> or is that still WIP?

20:10 <hexology> also, i am wondering what are the chances of successfully building a cython library that wraps a c++ library. i don't think there are additional complicated dependencies, but does cython mostly work with cpyext?

20:10 <hexology> *successfully building for pypy