18:55 <pablo_escoberg> Hey, quick stupid newbie question: I'm trying to follow this tutorial: https://picolisp-explored.com/mobile-app-development-in-picolisp-v-getting-a-remote-shell-to-your-pc but the binary/library whatever @bin/pty is, does not exist on my system. Using 22.1.3 on Linux Mint.

18:57 <abu[m]> Hi pablo_escoberg! Sorry, the Ubuntu version is too old. I'd recommend to download the current pil21

18:58 <abu[m]> https://software-lab.de/pil21.tgz

18:58 <abu[m]> And then look into the INSTALL file

19:03 <abu[m]> (in case you missed the above, please check https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/picolisp)

19:05 <abu[7]> Too bad that IRC is so unreliable

19:11 <pablo_escoberg1> TY, and yes, I had missed it. OK, so another stupid question: Why is pil21 more recent than 22.3? is 21 not the version number? This is for future reference...

19:12 <abu[7]> No stupid question at all! :)

19:13 <abu[7]> pil21 means "pil of the 21st century"

19:14 <abu[7]> (background: there is a really insane railway station project in Germany called "Stuugart 21")

19:14 <pablo_escoberg1> Oh! LOL! I get it, but you have to admit it's pretty confusing. Thanks again. LOVING picolisp and really looking forward to building with it.

19:15 <abu[7]> $nother reason is that it was starte in 2020, and planned to be ready in 2021 (which it was)

19:15 <abu[7]> True, it is confusing

19:15 <abu[7]> but in a few years it will be all right

20:13 <pablo_escoberg> OK, another newbie question: I'm now trying to do a local install, but there are really no instructions for that in INSTALL. There is also no install target in the makefile. The pil script in the bin directory points to /usr/bin, so it's expecting a global install for some reason. Is there a step I missed? Thanks again for the help.

20:15 <abu[7]> There are explicit instructions in INSTALL

20:15 <abu[7]> $ sudo apt install binutils ...

20:15 <abu[7]> $ wget ...

20:15 <abu[7]> etc.

20:16 <abu[7]> Works exactly lite that in Debian and thus also in Ubuntu

20:16 <pablo_escoberg> OK, then put it a different way: I followed all the directions and it doesn't work.

20:16 <abu[7]> Did you get an error?

20:17 <pablo_escoberg> bash: ./pil: /usr/bin/picolisp: bad interpreter: No such file or directory

20:18 <abu[7]> I think it is the wrong "pil"

20:18 <abu[7]> *not* the one in bin/

20:18 <abu[7]> That is for a global installation

20:19 <pablo_escoberg> Ah, ok. seems to work in the root directory. thanks much.

20:19 <abu[7]> So after (cd src; make) you do "./pil +"

20:20 <pablo_escoberg> Well, you need to "cd.." first :). What I did was "cd ../bin"

20:20 <pablo_escoberg> thanks again for the help

20:20 <abu[7]> No

20:20 <abu[7]> The point is (cd src; make)

20:21 <abu[7]> no cd after that

20:21 <abu[7]> "(" is a subshell

20:22 <pablo_escoberg> ok, gotcha. Should have copy pasted rather than retyping.

20:22 <abu[7]> No problem :)