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<moon-child> triangles are passe
<moon-child> I prefer biangles
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<bradd> hi. (x86_64). can i somehow get gcc to not output R_X86_64_REX_GOTPCRELX relocations?
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<sham1> moon-child: surely you mean 🅱️iangles
<sortie> wget https://pub.sortix.org/sortix/release/nightly/builds/sortix-nightly-x86_64.iso -O sortix.iso && qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -vga std -m 1024 -cdrom sortix.iso
<sortie> ^^ The latest Sortix nightly images are WILD
<sham1> Holy hell
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<gog> khello
<kazinsal> knyan
* gog patpatpat kazinsal
* kazinsal purrs and hugs
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<zid> why kvm no work, hmm
<zid> looks like they support it for intel but not amd? Maybe xeon *isn't* coal..
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<mcrod> hi
<gog> hi
<gog> tropico 6 is on deep discount
<gog> guess i'm gonna be el presidente for awhile
<gog> "presidente, your people starve! grow more food quickly!"
<zid> I got tropico.. 4? for free
<zid> but I put 2000 hours into eu4
<gog> i skipped 5 because it was barely different from 4
<gog> 4 is really good
<zid> I'm out of date on the dlc now though so playing eu4 is unpossible now
<gog> dang
<sham1> That's one of the most annoying parts about Paradox's own games as well as those that they are a publisher for
<zid> eu4 dead game, unfortunate
<gog> yeah there are so many expansions to stellaris now
<gog> the base game only gets some of the features that the expansions changed
<gog> which is fine i guess i don't care too much
<gog> i am excited for cities: s
<gog> kylines ii
<sham1> I actually pre-ordered that today
<gog> nice
<gog> i'm gonna buy it as a birthday gift for myself
<sham1> Bought the ultimate edition
<gog> how much was preorder?
<sham1> 90 EUR for the special ultimate edition thing. I don't remember what the normal version preorder is, probably 60
<zid> Yea I never got into stellaris because it was a paradox game
<zid> like, I pirated it and played it a little, to see it
<zid> but I was never going to get on ANOTHER dlc train
<sham1> Oh, the normal version is 50 EUR gog
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<gog> nice
<gog> not bad
<gog> i don't think i'll get ultimate
<zid> Are they going to make it more like sim city
<zid> or is it still going to be intersection design: the game
<zid> "make awful american cities simulator" at best
<gog> how was simcity any different than that
<zid> it just.. didn't simulate traffic
<bl4ckb0ne> happy birthday gog
<gog> bl4ckb0ne: thanks but my birthday is in october when the game is being released :P
<zid> same
<sham1> Same
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<gog> hm, it is kindof a birthday in a week though
<bl4ckb0ne> are you buying your games on gog gog
<gog> sometimes
<gog> but i think csky2 is only gonna be on steam initially
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<sham1> I only buy old games from GoV
<sham1> GoG*
<gog> the only gog games i have are graveyard keeper and disco elysium
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<gog> i have a few from epic store but only free ones and the only good one is dishonored
<Ermine> gog: may I pet you
<gog> yes
* Ermine pets gog
* gog prr
<kazinsal> it has been declared that it is gog's birthday despite it not being gog's birthday, thus we shall give her many headpats and cuddles
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<zid> hey guys, it's my birthday tomorrow, don't forget the cake
<Ermine> gog: it is really your bday?
<mjg> i think it is rude to point out a woman's birthday :X
<mjg> just sayin
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<Ermine> I don't claim that I'm polite, but sorry :\
<mcrod> who cares if it's gog's birthday or not
<mcrod> free cake
<mcrod> (if it is legit gog's birthday, happy birthday)
<zid> ya'll are shit at reading
<zid> gog's birthday is in october
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<gog> it is not my birthday
<zid> It's *my* birthday, so just update the delivery address on the cake.
<mcrod> happy birthday gog
<zid> happy birthday mcrod
<mcrod> happy birthday zid
<zid> Thanks
<mjg> my birthday is next week, true story
* mjg is expecting a cacke
<bl4ckb0ne> happy birthday zid
<mjg> cake
<mjg> zid: is it tho
<mjg> or are you trying to grift out some dairy
<Ermine> You are late for my birthday
<zid> dairy?
<zid> cake is pastry not dairy, you're thinking of cheese.
<mjg> shieeeet
<mjg> you are not going to dodge the q though
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<bl4ckb0ne> happy birthday Ermine
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<Ermine> bl4ckb0ne: it was more than a month ago :D
<zid> You mean, in 10 months or so!
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<mcrod> i had an acai bowl for the first time today
<mcrod> I feel like I'm a hipster at a starbucks in california now
<mcrod> even have the mac too
<bl4ckb0ne> how expensive was it
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<mcrod> $10
<GeDaMo> Apple must be desperate if they're selling machines for $10 :|
<zid> That's just what they're worth second hand
<zid> once they're no longer fashion items
<Ermine> Or it is broken
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<heat> mcrod, açaí btw
<mcrod> man i don't want to type out accent characters
<heat> https://reviews.llvm.org/rG52c8f0bb20eb9e7b1b54ffdddf6da77b53caeb3a wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<bslsk05> ​reviews.llvm.org: rG52c8f0bb20eb
<heat> t
<heat> llvm fcheck-new is now not-a-trap!
<mcrod> that's very heated
<heat> no need to thank me
<heat> "boo hoo im on embedded so i cant use exceptions"
<heat> there u go
<mcrod> i never use exceptions
<heat> so why are you not worshipping me
<heat> i saved your life
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<mcrod> because the patch looks easy
<mcrod> :')
<heat> i've been (slowly) trying to land it for a year
<mcrod> ...a year?
<mcrod> it really takes that long to get LLVM to review something?
<heat> well this patch took really long to review (exceptionally I think?) and this also was something i was working part-part-part-time
<heat> working on*
<heat> happy it landed though
<zid> heat can you make amd virt work on wsl2 thanks
<zid> you might need to patch windows
<mjg> lmao c++ problems
<mjg> :S
<heat> mjg, the flag makes operator new pointers nullable, which is obv useful
<heat> you know what's really funny though?
<heat> it was grouped with a bunch of gcc optimization flags that are completely ignored instead of saying "oh no unknown option!"
<heat> so you could pass -fcheck-new thinking your app is working fine or whatever and then crash because you dereferenced NULL
<mjg> clang swalloing opts is liek standard
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<mjg> may be tolerable for advisory stuff
<heat> in this case it's literally "may blow up"
<heat> which is funny :))
<Ermine> wtf is 'swallowing opts'
<GeDaMo> Ignoring command line options
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<Ermine> yeah but...
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<mcrod> so a submarine implodes and russia is facing a large scale insurrection
<mcrod> i want to make some type of funny correlation but i cannot.
<bl4ckb0ne> i can, its the greys that are finally making their move
<heat> wow that's nuts
<bl4ckb0ne> no i wont take my meds
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<mcrod> never mind they're turning around
<mcrod> god dammit
<zid> dog mammet!?
<zid> I don't think you should be worshipping dogs regardless
<snowcra5h> dogbolt.com
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<heat> mcrod, it's a lot more subtle than "advance into moscow"
<heat> as in they would be melted by all kinds of air superiority
<zid> It's probably not what we want anyway
<zid> the wagner guy seems to want to fight ukraine better and win
<zid> is competent, is annoyed russia is incompetent, wants them to stop fucking him over
<zid> I say keep fucking him over imo
<heat> the wagner guy just wants to get paid probably
<heat> mercenary, not military
<zid> His messaging was very pro-russia anti-ukraine, no idea what he ACTUALLY think
<zid> but his propaganda was very 'russia good, ukraine bad, anyone stopping me defending THE MOTHERLAND is ergo bad'
<mjg> so... are we back to shitting on titanic?
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<GeDaMo> Long way down just to find a bathroom :|
<bslsk05> ​i.redd.it: Reddit - Dive into anything
<heat> mjg, when polan invade germany
<heat> payback time mofos
<mjg> bu by NATO convention the attaking polacks would also have to defend the territory as they do it
<mjg> sounds to me they would freeze on the border
<mjg> :SS
<mjg> also you may want to lean some history, ze polacks have their own track record in grabbing territory
<heat> anything remotely as old as the battle of varna doesn't count :v
<mjg> for example they attacked ukraine to grab some extra land
<mjg> just after they regained independence after ww1
<mjg> as "luck" would have if ze bolsheviks were advancing from the other side
<mjg> and on poland too
<mjg> tl;dr kuek
<zid> I saw a cool one of those with pressure GeDaMo
<zid> and it was like "water rushes INTO a scuba tank"
<zid> 1/20th of the way down
<mjg> heat: so what did ze portugal do doring the spanish civil var
<mjg> war
<mjg> were you just sitting there stroking your dicks
<heat> yes
<heat> portugal unofficially sent troops to the fascies though
<zid> portugal always loves the fash
<mjg> were you just passive aggressive abouti t
<zid> "harder daddy" --Portugal
<zid> To be fair, having booth leather in your mouth would be an upgrade to portuguese food
<heat> we were under an authoritarian wannabe-fash government at the time
<heat> OH
<zid> boot*
<heat> you're officially banned from the algarve
<heat> where u spending ur holidays now mofo
<zid> you have been banened from r/algare
<zid> ve
<mjg> curious what are spanish jokes baout the portugeese
<heat> idk fuck em
<zid> skegness ofc, I am true patriot english
<heat> probably "ur poor"
<heat> it's like the pot calling the kettle black
* mjg yawns
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<mjg> > You witnessed a waste of time, money, energy, and, in few cases, talent.
<mjg> corp 101
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<zid> please stop describing my life like that mjg
<kof123> "dogbolt.com" that was sothis before the nile. he became a saint that theoretically predicts rain, but is 1000s of years and miles away from when it might've made sense lol in any case, "saint satan" is still there lol
<kof123> just FYI lol
<mjg> heat_: so if i remember correctly you have not seen any of: sopranos, the wire, breaking bad
<mjg> inint?
<zid> he hasn't watched the wire?
<zid> what did he do with his life in the early 00s?
<mjg> probably busy getting ready to get born
<heat_> goo goo ga ga
<zid> good point
<mjg> he is like 2003?
<heat_> 2002
<mjg> brah
<mjg> 2002 i got my first gf
<zid> I didn't know people born >2000 were allowed on irc
<zid> I thought you had to be 13 to play online games with other people in them
<zid> what do you mean it's 2023
<heat_> not by default, i had to pass a technology grumpyness test
<gog> hi
<mjg> ye it helps if you shito n stuff
<mjg> heat_: well mofer, watch the wire at least
<mjg> liek have some culture
<zid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kguaGI7aZg here is some culture for you both
<bslsk05> ​'The End Of Evangelion - Komm Süsser Tod - Come Sweet Death (HQ)' by Batrick Pateman (00:07:42)
<heat_> nah i need to watch breaking bad some day
<mjg> 's a good show
<zid> breaking bad is typical american drama
<mjg> better call saul is better for my taste
<heat_> the wire? more like "the cringe"
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<mjg> OH
<zid> aka driven by otherwise intelligent characters making incredibly poor decisions as required by the plot to function
<heat_> better call saul? more like better call cringe
<gog> it's me gorg
<mjg> zid: it's not bb if shit does not hit the fan every 20 minutes
<sham1> heat_: BCS isn't cringe
<zid> What I am trying to say is, the writing is incredibly p oor.
<mjg> heat_: what the fuck
<mjg> zid: well you have to buy into it ;)
<zid> but in a way americans seem to love
<heat_> gorg? more like gorgringe
<zid> Pope Gorgory II
<mjg> more like gangrene
<mjg> heat_: which show do you like
<mjg> poop and morty?
<zid> Pope greg, loved chanting and calendars, good bloke
<heat_> the linux kernel podcast by Jon Masters
<mjg> i better you think big bang theory is a great show
<mjg> bet
<mjg> ffs
<heat_> but for real i liked homeland
<heat_> but it's just too damn long
<heat_> so i quit around the 4th season
<heat_> i also binged the whole of narcos and narcos: mexico
<mjg> don't even try the walking dead
<mjg> :S
<sham1> narcos? More like cringos
<mjg> i gave up after 2nd season i think
<mjg> sham1: +1
<heat_> narcringe
<sham1> Pronounced like gringos
<mjg> now the mexican bootleg breaking bad is A+
<mjg> innit zid
<gog> i know how cringe i am
<zid> how would I know
<mjg> gog: knowing genz memes as a millenial is pretty cringe tho
<mjg> just sayin
<heat_> fuck you
<gog> that's fine
<heat_> gog best
<gog> i'm cringe no cap frfr
<gog> on god
<heat_> 🚫🧢 😤😤
<mjg> jamie, pull up that cringe show compilation
<zid> can we not reference right wing manipulators
<heat_> what's your favourite congress of vienna diplomat
<mjg> is there a good podcast out there tho?
<mjg> mindscape seems decent
<heat_> no podcasts in 1814
<heat_> just talleyrand and castlereagh
<gog> mewo
<heat_> shuddup gog iceland wasn't even represented there
<gog> :<
<bl4ckb0ne> is iceland even real at this point
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<mjg> iceland.. more like cringeland amirite
<heat_> icringeland
<mjg> or is it incestland
<bl4ckb0ne> i want to believe iceland exists, but we're missing some pretty hard facts
<mjg> say my name
<mjg> > cringerberg
<mjg> innit
<heat_> mjg, what soviet union personality would you like to have dinner with?
<mjg> sovietu nion?
<mjg> why so late
<heat_> i would probably pick lenin or marshall zhukov
<mjg> do you know who dzierżyński was?
<heat_> has the OPTIMAL coolness/chanceofdeath factor
<heat_> no
<mjg> OH
<zid> I'm amazed he didn't pick hitler
<mjg> heat_: dude was of polish descent, at the head of the bolshevik terror aparatus
<mjg> he had a wedding in Cracow, the church it took place in is still standing so i visited
<mjg> [cracow best city btw]
<mjg> now that you mention uncle adolf, i would reocmmend a book "labyrinth" by schellenberg
<mjg> dude was a slick little shit
<heat_> His sister Wanda died at the age of 12, when she was accidentally shot with a hunting rifle on the family estate by one of her brothers.
<heat_> she got cheney'd
<mjg> advanced quite high in the ss
<mjg> and all of it for the money
<mjg> he had 0 problems with jews and whatnot
<mjg> innit that interesting
<zid> is cracow near kraków
<mjg> zid: it is kraków motherfucker and i think you know that
<zid> why am I the motherfucker, you're the one who can't spell
<zid> does fucking mjg's mother stop you being able to spell? :o
<heat_> mjg, come for the fascism, stay for the racism?
<mjg> zid: according to always correct wiki it is cracow in english
<mjg> so wtf
<zid> You might be thinking it's still 1800
<mjg> so how do ze english call the city now
<mjg> it's not krakau is it?
<mjg> causei t's not 1940s either
<heat_> obv kharkov
<zid> 'Warsaw is better'
<mjg> warsaw?
<mjg> what is it, 1800?
<zid> Kraków, like I said
<mjg> warszawa
<heat_> warzszszwa
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<zid> Łódź looks nice
<mjg> ramulus and romus
<mjg> like you can pronounce łódź
<mjg> plz
<heat_> how 2 polan: 1) get a normal word 2) add random consonants
<heat_> hey i've seen that in my eu4 games
<heat_> i think it's just lodz there, no ´'s
<mjg> łódź is a meme city
<zid> My english accdent actually uses ł we just don't have a character for it
<zid> accent*
<mjg> i'm pretty sure you can't do dź
<zid> English Accident.
<zid> Maybe not
<mjg> i tried to teach one englishman how to pronounce "wszystko zjebane"
<mjg> he kept fucking it up
<zid> Did you spell it in IPA
<mjg> it was in person
<zid> or just keep saying it really quickly without pointing out tongue positions
<heat_> no, just lager
<mjg> way pre-covid :p
<zid> over and over, louder and louder
<zid> cus I know why he couldn't say it, that's the english tourist approach to language
<mjg> i think "pies jebał" is ez
<zid> FOUR SAMBUCA
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<zid> like, I couldn't do german ch, because I foolishly asked a german
<zid> google helpfully told me it's an aspirated y
<zid> first try
<mjg> how 2 portugese: nobody gives af
<mjg> innit right heat_
<zid> mjg record all these places
<zid> and lvov
<zid> woodjz
<zid> (darkl)oojz
<zid> we don't have that end character, but it's part of english
<zid> yea that one is much much harder
<mjg> he kept failing on wsz
<zid> we don't have leading dark l
<zid> only in the middle of words, like milk
<zid> and never followed by s
<mjg> klassik
<bslsk05> ​home.cc.umanitoba.ca: Dark L
<zid> Is that that guy's surname
<mjg> no
<mjg> that was brzęczyszczykiewicz
<mjg> this is a supposed village
<mjg> klassikkK tongue twister
<zid> and it's like.. brustestakovich or something
<zid> it's easier if you use russian transliteration tbh, the polish one is fucking weird
<zid> chech is the same
<heat_> mjg, that is absolutely right
<heat_> portucrap
<mjg> gog: ey gogs what's an icelandic tongue twister
<zid> heat_ can you pronounce DARK L
<heat_> portucringe
<mjg> Frank Ucker
<heat_> zid, yeah totally
<zid> totawy
<heat_> i had to go through a vid that's Way Too Long just to figure that shit out but yeah definitely
<zid> so you can do the thing americans make fun of us for doing, which they also do anyway
<zid> and say bottle with a dark l
<mjg> boo of watta
<zid> boo!?
<mjg> like a ghost
<zid> bɒʔɫ̩ bitches
<mjg> to be fair, you have to high iq to watch rick and morty
<zid> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bottle cockney is infact the only one without a dark l, cus he says botto :p
<bslsk05> ​en.wiktionary.org: bottle - Wiktionary
<zid> mjg: higher than what, shoe leather?
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<mjg> that's millenial memems are you not familiar with
<mjg> i don't know if there is a pass for that
<zid> lying is not a meme
<mjg> modulo genz
<zid> saying things ironically, on irc, is just saying them
<bslsk05> ​knowyourmeme.com: To Be Fair, You Have To Have a Very High IQ to Understand Rick and Morty | Know Your Meme
<zid> until english transcriptions get sarcasm annotations
<mjg> mofer
<mjg> sop so defensiv plz
<zid> I am not defending, I am attacking
<mjg> take the L
<zid> I already have the dark L
<mjg> dark or otherwise
<zid> but anyway, in answer to your question, it's now considered less pretentious and more correct to name things using more authentic othographies in english
<heat_> mjg, im piiickleeeeeeeeeee riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick
<mjg> zid: sounds like /more/ pretentious to me -- ze english pretending to know the original name
<mjg> and not the one circulating in their own lang
<zid> Yes, it used to be very pretentious
<zid> it's now considered 'educated' rather than 'overly posh'
<zid> only dickheads used to do it
<mjg> you mean rick and morty fans
<zid> Sheltered doesn't mean dickhead
<mjg> on that note, many words in polish end with ą or ę which requires special pronouncation vs a or e
<mjg> it is considered pretentious to honor it though
<zid> sir your vowels are bleed9ing
<zid> also, good job keyboard, inserting a random 9
<mjg> 's a and b with a dong
<mjg> erm, e
<mjg> ;)
<zid> I was being polite
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<zid> mjg, confirm deny that polish two lane roads have a hidden third lane down the middle
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<mjg> you understand poland is not an asian country
<mjg> :boomroaste:
<zid> I'm not convinced mjg is really polish
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<zid> heat_: excited for tomorrow?
<mcrod> this is incredible
<mcrod> after playing elden ring for a few hours, putting my hand to my tempered glass case actually hurts
<zid> sounds like you built your computer incorrectly
<zid> remove the glass, enjoy reasonable temps
<mcrod> no
<mcrod> that sounds like 'enjoy dust'
<zid> they're my bad temps and I want them!
<mcrod> i really should consider water cooling
<zid> or you know
<zid> afan
<mcrod> i have fans
<zid> does it sound like a helicopter taking off when they turn on
<mcrod> yes, after they've just been cleaned too
<zid> They're pointed the wrong way then
<mcrod> they are not
<zid> Then one of the things you've said is a lie
<mcrod> i have a 3090ti in this thing
<mcrod> it's going to get hto
<mcrod> *hot
<zid> either the glass isn't hot, the fans aren't loud, or one of them is backwards
<mcrod> usually the fans crank up to max if I'm playing elden ring
<zid> case should be ambient air temp unless there's stagnant warm air hanging around
<mcrod> well yes it is hot in my room
<mcrod> considerably
<mcrod> it would be better if I had more cool air going into the front for intake
<zid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSllkFWVhJI&t=28s This is what real fans sound like :D
<bslsk05> ​'12 Delta fans!' by MansellRa (00:03:10)
<bslsk05> ​'Delta Fan Model THA1248BE the wolds most powerful 120 mm fan moves mountains' by guru1on (00:01:40)
<mcrod> you know, I've been taking into account viewing distance calculations for TVs
<mcrod> but never for my monitors for my PC
<mcrod> apparently, I should be sitting 4.5ft away
<mcrod> 1.37m for basically 98% of this channel*
<zid> only if they have horrendous dpi, imo
<zid> sit closer until you can see pixels, then go an inch back
<zid> 1.37m is like like, 42" display range
<mcrod> I have a 32" 4K display
<mcrod> a viewing distance calculator tells me 4.5ft
<bslsk05> ​i.imgur.com <no title>
<mcrod> ah that's max
<mcrod> ideal is 3.2 apparently
<zid> did it even ask about dpi
<zid> it's chatting shit, if not, what you care about is dots per radian
<mcrod> no
<zid> not how much of your face is covered by the display, it's not a movie
<zid> you can focus on certain windows only
<mcrod> if you want to aid my laziness
<mcrod> i have 2 gigabyte m32u's
<zid> laziness aids!?
<zid> I didn't know you could get it that way
<zid> I might be in trouble
<mcrod> this one says 140 pixels per inch
<zid> 96 is 'normal', so you can be really close to that if you want
<zid> without degrading image quality
<zid> (or sit farther back and use it as a TV with invisible to you supersampling)
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<zid> With 140 dpi, if you're going to sit away from it, you'll need to adjust the text size back up to compensate so you just end up with slightly smoother text
<zid> that's less pixelly
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<bl4ckb0ne> i have the m32 and m28 and they are very good
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