<nortti>
for a few years would go north to ii for midsummer to some friends' dacha. annoyingly timeanddate doesn't seem to have that
<zid>
If they did have your friends' dacha I'd be surprised
<nortti>
huh, but they do have yli-ii
<nortti>
(ii is a municipality, while yli-ii is a former municipality and now part of oulu. it's name means "over ii", because it's located upstream on iijoki)
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<sham1>
Being north of Turku isn't exactly hard. We're kinda south
<zid>
more north than every usasian :P
<nortti>
sham1: oh, you live in turku too?
<sham1>
Yes
<zid>
nortti and sham1 sitting in a tree
<zid>
throwing beer bottles at passers by
<zid>
bloody fins
<sham1>
Runosmäki to be more exact
<nortti>
I'm in nummi, ylioppilaskylä more specifically
<sham1>
Yeah, I usually commute past there when I go to Kupittaa
<nortti>
past the dam?
<FireFly>
heh
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<gog>
finns
<zid>
gog no swearing
<gog>
fuck you
<zid>
this is a christian discord
<gog>
ibid
<nortti>
vad finns?
<zid>
perkele finns
<heat>
hai
<heat>
btw zid and puck thank you for helping out yesterday <3
<heat>
the variable stuff still looks fucked enough BUT at least it boots
<heat>
who needs EFI anyway?
<nortti>
oh yeah, how did you solve it?
<zid>
he disabled secure boot
<zid>
Which is fine by me, because I suggested everybody do that all of the time
<heat>
yeah it turns out i'm stupid and there was a way to disable it without getting into the key submenu
<heat>
i then tried to reset that shit but it still looks entirely fucked
<zid>
heat's like "it's more secure!" i'm like "I don't want secure, I want it to not break"
<zid>
and his secureboot broke, and now that it's fixed, I can laugh at him
<nortti>
are you able to unfuck the variables from within an OS?
<heat>
it broke because i literally enabled it
<heat>
nortti, no, that's the weird bit
<puck>
nortti: the dbx cannot be written to from the OS without a signature
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<heat>
wait, it can't?
<zid>
heat: do you remember that discussion? :P
<puck>
heat: the dbx needs to be secureboot-signed
<heat>
even with secure boot off?
<puck>
yes
<heat>
yes but my dbx version is indeed signed
<heat>
the weird bit is that trying to remove or write to efi variables is erroring out with -EINVAL
<puck>
*any*
<puck>
or just the dbx?
<puck>
(or other secureboot-related vars)
<heat>
which, looking at fs/efivarfs, is EFI_INVALID_PARAMETER I think
<heat>
i tried to overwrite some weird dbxDefault one I had, probably the factory default var
<heat>
also EINVAL'd
<puck>
hrmm
<heat>
dbx also EINVAL'd... the dmesg doesn't say anything interesting, i'm considering patching linux to be more verbose-ey on failure there
<heat>
but, erm, dis is weird
<puck>
yeah okay. i wonder
<zid>
are there any fun securebooty programs I can run
<puck>
heat: dbxDefault and dbx i think are both pretty much signed
<zid>
to see my uefi vars and things
<puck>
heat: try adding a boot entry with efibootmgr?
<heat>
zid, what's a securebooty program?
<zid>
idk, that's why I asked
<heat>
you can see your efi vars from userspace
<zid>
like, I have a pci-y program to show pci things, lspci
<zid>
I have aida64 to show various acpi things
<heat>
efivar is one, also ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/
<zid>
andhw sensory things
<zid>
doesn't work from within wsl, wsl is bad
<heat>
oh right
<heat>
windows probably has a thing to show that?
<zid>
Install-Module UEFI
<heat>
i know powershell has a bunch of shit for *at least* secure boot vars
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<heat>
puck, efibootmgr works
<puck>
heat: like, creating a boot entry?
<heat>
and then rm'ing that var also works
<puck>
okay
<heat>
yep
<puck>
heat: i think you were just very unlucky with your choices
<heat>
hmm, does the firmware have any basis to block writes to that var when not in secure boot or something?
<puck>
yes
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<heat>
damn
<zid>
doesn't take wildcards hmm
<puck>
heat: e.g. OsRecoveryOrder/OsRecovery#### are required to be EFI_VARIABLE_TIME_BASED_AUTHENTICATED_WRITE_ACCESS
<heat>
puck, do I need to manually get myself into secure boot? can I even do that?
<puck>
i believe you can't
<heat>
like, with my own efi app
<puck>
..maybe?
<puck>
but waht you want is efi shell
<puck>
heat: note, it *is* editable when not in secure boot
<heat>
dbx?
<heat>
it doesn't seem to be
<puck>
yes
<heat>
in fact arch's sbctl(8) requires you to be in setup mode, maybe that's what's lacking
<puck>
dbx is flagged as EFI_VARIABLE_TIME_BASED_AUTHENTICATED_WRITE_ACCESS, which requires either beinig signed with a KEK key, or the current platform key, *unless* if in setup mode
<puck>
heat: setup mode is just "there is no platform key"
<puck>
you can use that together with KeyTool.efi to force your way out of secureboot mode
<heat>
i'm not in secure boot
<puck>
heat: yes, but you cannot wipe the dbx without first wiping your platform key
<puck>
..wait, hold on
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<puck>
heat: setup still hangs when you try to wipe your secureboot settings, right?
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<gog>
we have like 30 fucking methods for uploading files and dtermining their content-type
<gog>
i'm going to kill the person who wrote this shit 30 times
<puck>
heat: absolutely terrible idea: grab UiApp.efi from https://github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF/tree/main UMAF_BETA.zip and launch it - this should get you into a setup menu that mirrors your normal setup
<heat>
oh thats the ovmf ui app that's horrible haha
<heat>
mu has a nicer one
<puck>
heat: yes *but*
<puck>
it's less likely to randomly hang, i suspect
<puck>
though if it's really bugged out it'd be in the HII part so it won't change much
<heat>
fwiw i trust microsoft more than edk2
<heat>
and i trust edk2 far more than i trust AMI or any of the crap IBVs
<heat>
but, you know, something something IBVs provide great value-add to the client
<heat>
mouse in the BIOS! woohoo!
<puck>
my desktop's BIOS has an SMTP client
<puck>
including hard-coded credds!
<heat>
what!
<heat>
double what actually!
<nortti>
< heat> mouse in the BIOS! woohoo! ← I have a 1st gen pentium system that uses a windows 3.x style GUI in its bios configuration
<nortti>
I forget if it's possible to navigate it using keyboard only, I'd hope so, but at least it works nicely with the serial mouse the system uses otherwise
<heat>
somehow more sane than this
<heat>
my firmware's setup's mouse "DPI" scaling is only suitable for the touchpad
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<heat>
using my normal USB mouse is unbearably slow
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<zid>
mine used to be fine, then got like 5fps
<zid>
and idk why
<zid>
so I just use keyboard
<heat>
what i really need is a BIOS that supports my xbox controller
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<zid>
xbox needs xinput
<zid>
so fuck that
<zid>
hid is doable
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<Ermine>
I guess mouses with macro support require special drivers?
<zid>
usually
<zid>
Sometimes it just writes your shit to an eeprom
<zid>
and the buttons are driven by the arm cortex whatever
<nortti>
I think my partner has one which shows up as a standard HID keyboard for macros and a vendor-specific device for programming
<zid>
yea needing special software to set *up* the macros is pretty much mandatory, but it being able to invoke them itself isn't unusal
<heat>
i like when gaming mice advertise "BLAZING FAST ARM PROCESSOR" like it's some sort of advantage
<zid>
Those mice are almost universally worse because it means they're running the switches at 3.3V
<zid>
so they double click within days of purchase
<heat>
mine works fine
<heat>
steelseries aerox 3
<zid>
what's humidity like in heatland
<nortti>
are there gamers using ps/2 mice for interrupt-driven vs. polled input?
<zid>
usb is either anyway
<heat>
nortti, yes
<nortti>
oh is it? that's the main reason I hear for ppl using ps/2 keybs in gaming
<zid>
I have usb devices that send interrupts when buttons happen, and usb devices that send 1000 updates a second and you can't shut them up
<zid>
and you just use the latest one you have
<heat>
some old school cs players use em i'm pretty sure
<zid>
nah
<heat>
but like, er, its 2023 so no pro player uses ps2
<zid>
nobody in the cs scene uses a ps/2 mouse, you can't buy em and you can't find em, and mice have been 1000hz for a decade now anyway
<zid>
They use whatever their sponsor's best mouse is :p
<heat>
yes, i mean players not pros
<heat>
there are a bunch of boomers with ps2 mouses and CRT monitors
<heat>
just like most csgo configs still use 4:3 black bars or 4:3 stretched, very few 16:9
<zid>
nah everybody just copies shroud et al
<zid>
the 'people who remember cs from the 90s' crowd is microscopic
<mjg>
* GNU variant ships with the --version switch.
<mjg>
* While we don't have anything to put there, print something which is
<mjg>
* from coreutils this code is in sync with.
<mjg>
* whitespace-compatible with the original. Version number was taken
<mjg>
so if a shite script tests version for features, it works
<heat>
is your idea to actively match on grep GNU?
<mjg>
MAYBE
<snowcra5h->
lol
snowcra5h- is now known as snowcra5h
<heat>
i've seen GNU-compatible around
<heat>
LLD 15.0.7 (compatible with GNU linkers)
<mjg>
that's fucking great, except it does not line up with gnu linkers
<mjg>
GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38
<mjg>
why not link to a tik tok video instead
<heat>
great idea
<sham1>
Oh god damn it, it's like browser user agent strings all over again
* mjg
injects a quote about what's great about standards
<snowcra5h>
LMFAO
<nortti>
nortti@ahti-saarelainen:~$ busybox sed --version
<nortti>
This is not GNU sed version 4.0
<mjg>
lol
<gorgonical>
Anyone here use a matrix-irc bridge to chat? I'm considering different irc clients
<mjg>
again not whitespace compatible though
<snowcra5h>
i use weechat
<sham1>
I used to use Matrix
<heat>
mjg, how do you know
<heat>
are you using GNU sed atm
<sham1>
I now use weechat with the proxying
<heat>
do you use GNU software mjg
<nortti>
iirc it was for linux build system, which just looked for "GNU sed version 4"
<mjg>
heat: dude i'm on a ubuntu laptop :X
<heat>
WHAT
<sham1>
The relay protocol
<snowcra5h>
wtf
<snowcra5h>
mjg: why
<sham1>
mjg: TRAITOR
<mjg>
OH
<heat>
i thought you were on a RHEL!
<mjg>
i alrady mentioned it numerous times
<mjg>
i need working wifi
<mjg>
and susped/resume
<gorgonical>
I have working wifi on my slackware install tho
<snowcra5h>
rofl wut
<mjg>
ok migrating to slackare then
<heat>
a proper freebsd dev needs a proper enterprise Linux solution
<gorgonical>
mjg: you won't regret it
<snowcra5h>
slackware is still around ?
<sham1>
Of course it is
<snowcra5h>
wtf
<zid>
my wsl is broken
<gorgonical>
yeah, 15.0 was released in like november
<mjg>
lol @ slackware tho
<heat>
SUSE enterprise linux or RHEL, pick and choose
<nortti>
gorgonical: did adoption of utf-8 in 2021 break anything on your slackware install?
<mjg>
did they have a chagne of heart re dependencies?
<mjg>
heat: you mean SLES
<snowcra5h>
I haven't used slackware since 1997 - 98 lol
<gorgonical>
nortti: No, and in fact whenever I have to reinstall I forget which locale I should use because they seem to work interchangeably
<nortti>
heh
<zid>
lxssmanager service seems like it refuses to start..
<gorgonical>
Right now locale says I'm on en_US.UTF-8
<nortti>
I remember having to fight with freebsd around 2014 because by-default it would let me type åäö but would produce iso-8859-1 codes instead of unicode
<nortti>
*utf-8
<gorgonical>
lol
<heat>
i found the list of every FreeBSD developer using freebsd: see about:blank for more details
<sham1>
Yeah, you have to explicitly set UTF-8
<gorgonical>
who needs å anyway. Only those swedes
<sham1>
If I need to trash on the Swedes, I'll Å away
<mjg>
heat: funny bit. obsd devs have obsd on their laptops. not servers
<mjg>
heat: freebsd devs have freebsd on their servers, not laptops
<gorgonical>
the servers have dragonflybsd on them, donchaknow
<mjg>
heat: and netbsd devs don't even use the system
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<heat>
is that why they have wifi?
<mjg>
yea
<mjg>
they actually use it
<heat>
where do illumos devs have it?
<sham1>
mjg: but how will NetBSD people test on VAX
<mjg>
up their arse
<sham1>
If they don't have the VAX
<heat>
hahaha
<sham1>
VAX on, VAX off
<gorgonical>
Herr Miyagi
<gorgonical>
the alliteration doesn't work as well in German
<heat>
mjg, when are you going to joe rogan to talk about the VAX
<zid>
fuck it, let's see if windows update can fix it
<gorgonical>
I would pay money to see any of you on rogan
<zid>
or just a reboot
<mjg>
heat: you know, i can totally see joe invating theo at some point
<mjg>
inviting
<heat>
jamie, pull up the original 4.3BSD locore.S for the VAX
<sham1>
Let's wait for Fridman to invite de Raadt first
<gorgonical>
I mean if he can have michio kaku on there to spout bullshit about quantum computers
<gorgonical>
He can have any computer guy
<mjg>
of course he would have to invite the L man first
<heat>
who's the L man?
<mjg>
gorgonical: have you seen hte interviw with the python sap
<gorgonical>
no
<mjg>
heat: linux torvald
<mjg>
gorgonical: good for you
<sham1>
heat: probably Mr. Linux himself yeah
<heat>
is he the brother of G man?
<mjg>
gorgonical: > hey guido why python f45t now
<heat>
aw man did they name him after the kernel?
<mjg>
gorgonical: > oh totally f45t u hav no idea
<nortti>
heat: they named him after the peanuts comic, iirc
<mjg>
my primary gripe with the fucking LF guy is that his lets people spew absulute hogwash unchallenged
<gorgonical>
ironically joe rogan gives more pushback sometimes because he's so dumb his preconceived notions about how stuff works force the guest to occasionally explain things
<sham1>
In some sense that's a good podcast host when you have guests
<heat>
replace LF with JR and it still makes sense
<zid>
can we not
<zid>
talk about right wing podcast hosts
<zid>
in osdev
<mjg>
relax tankie
<gorgonical>
we could talk about cheese or raccoons instead
* mjg
pets heat and zid
<zid>
mjg: no, I was the nazi
<sham1>
Why plural? Lex Fridman doesn't seem that kind of political person
<mjg>
zid: my apologies
<mjg>
zid: relax adolf
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<snowcra5h>
sham1: Lex is a great person.
<heat>
sham1, lex fridman is kind of a elon musl nutlicker
<heat>
that's all i know
<mjg>
:]]]
<mjg>
too bad elon is sraight
<snowcra5h>
and doesn't have balls
<sham1>
Elon doesn't exist
<mjg>
although, if men could have childrne with other men, maybe we would know better?
<sham1>
Elon Musk is a twitter bot created by Big Oil to prevent electric cars from becoming a thing
<mjg>
heat: ey mofo can you even reason from FIRST PRINCIPLES
<snowcra5h>
sham1: ahahaha
<snowcra5h>
probably accurate.
* sham1
sticks aluminium hat further on head
<mjg>
we would not need cars if the earth was curved
<sham1>
Yeah, we could just roll around
<snowcra5h>
flat code
<mjg>
ye too bad the earth is flat
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<sham1>
Although that's painful, so let's instead use these metal frames with wheels on them. Maybe you could even add some pedals to them to get it to move on the flat Earth
<heat>
the earth is a taurus
<gorgonical>
Wait
<heat>
and made entirely out of taurine
<gorgonical>
Do flat earthers necessarily believe the earth is fully flat, like a disc? Or is there room for concavity/convexity?
<heat>
it's also really fluffy and serves as an alien GPU stress test
<sham1>
gorgonical: they don't believe in it being curved
<gorgonical>
Because a slightly convex disc is not a sphere, but it still "flat" enough imo
<snowcra5h>
gorgonical: that's actually a good question.
<sham1>
I suppose they do believe that mountains and such exist, but aside from that, no. It's like a pancake
<heat>
it's probably wrong to consider "flat earthers" a singular group
<snowcra5h>
i dont think they could argue that at all unless they live in sask canada
<nortti>
there are some flat earth people who think earth is a small circular area on the surface of massive planet
<gorgonical>
nortti: wtf lol
<snowcra5h>
They also think that giants live past the north pole.
<gorgonical>
That's just believing the earth is round but with better lore
<nortti>
the antarctic ice wall preventing you from going beyond into other earths which also exist on that surface
<sham1>
They could do the disc world and have the earth be carried by a giant turtle
<snowcra5h>
and there is some kind of ice wall being defended by the USA
<snowcra5h>
some of the stuff is wild and almost as good as the best sci-fi books.
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<snowcra5h>
it's very entertaining to immerse your self in those circles 10/10 would recomend.
<zid>
good news, windows update and reboot fixed nothing
<sham1>
All is good on the world when Windows doesn't fix stuff
<snowcra5h>
lol
<snowcra5h>
You can fix that by not running windows.
<bslsk05>
'In Search Of A Flat Earth' by Folding Ideas (01:16:16)
<sham1>
Anyway, I do sometimes wonder whether Flat Earth is actually just either a CIA or KGB psyops
<mjg>
watch out with that fucking guy tho
<zid>
in search of a flat earth is a great doco
<snowcra5h>
Is it pro flat earth ?
<mjg>
no
<snowcra5h>
ahh lame.
<zid>
also, this is your fault mjg
<sham1>
The Flat Earth Society is from 1958 after all, which is when the Cold War was at a good swing with Sputnik and the like
<mjg>
flat earth is a lame theory anyway
<snowcra5h>
no way.
<snowcra5h>
sham1: actually ?
<sham1>
Yeah
<mjg>
lightworkers are the shit, innit right heat
<snowcra5h>
I thought it was started from some basketball player years ago lol
<heat>
yes
<sham1>
Err, actually 1956. I misread
<snowcra5h>
There was another one going around that space isn't real.
<heat>
kyrie irving is great
<heat>
he's the idiot's philosopher
<snowcra5h>
fake space people are also interesting lol
<snowcra5h>
heat: yeah hahaha
<snowcra5h>
ROFL "The idiot's philosopher"
<snowcra5h>
man hahah
<sham1>
But yeah, imagine that. You don't believe on a spherical Earth and suddenly the commies shoot a satellite to... well I don't think flat earthers would call it an orbit
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<sham1>
What would it be called for Flat Earth. Can't be orbit because that implies something spherical
<mjg>
heat's favourite book is peterson's 12 rules of os bootstrap
<snowcra5h>
sham1: i don't even know haha.
<snowcra5h>
there was one dude that strapped him self to a home made rocket not so long ago to prove the earth was flat.
<heat>
mjg, real talk is theo a right winger
<snowcra5h>
all he wound up proving was mortality is a real thing.
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<heat>
we know THE CHAD MR LINUX isn't
<mjg>
heat: no clue
<snowcra5h>
I live in the same city as theo
<snowcra5h>
I pride my self in that.
<heat>
oh good can you ask him
<snowcra5h>
I respect the hell out of him he's a hard working dude.
<snowcra5h>
plus he hikes a lot which is cool.
* snowcra5h
shrugs
<sham1>
Linus' father was part of like the very cringe tankie faction of the Finnish socialists when he was younger. It's an interesting thing to read just how many different people got into that stuff
<heat>
are you theo
<snowcra5h>
i wish i was
<snowcra5h>
sham1: I wonder how much of that rubbed off on linus.
<mjg>
u an obsd tankie
<snowcra5h>
LOL
<mjg>
as a rule i don't trust canadian openbsd people
<snowcra5h>
I wouldn't either.
<sham1>
Eh, probably not that much. Nils certainly has moved on, being in SFP which is decidedly not even socialist in any way
<snowcra5h>
We drink maple syrup, and ride around on the majestic Moose.
<nortti>
"not even socialist in any way" I think is somewhat underselling their position
<gorgonical>
mjg: as a rule I just don't trust canadians
<snowcra5h>
I love Canada.
<mjg>
gorgonical: imagine a canadian openbsd-user door-to-door salesman
<nortti>
(most recently they compromised to hell and back on their principles to bring a conservative - far-right coalition to parliamentary majority, to avoid the prospect of a conservative - socdem govt)
<mjg>
is there a least trustworthy person?
<mjg>
less
<heat>
sir how many cores do you have
<snowcra5h>
We have 1 border. Almost no crime. A very mixed population, so we're diverse. A very low population so there's no lineups everywhere.
<snowcra5h>
People are friendly education is cheap.
<mjg>
heat: 2, one for each obsd vm
<heat>
do you have less than 4? ar eyou interested in a free secure minimalist operating system
<snowcra5h>
healthcare is free.
<sham1>
nortti: NCP is going to have some real problems if FP and SFP keep being stupid
<snowcra5h>
what more do you want.
<gorgonical>
nortti: is this the election that resulted in marin losing pm seat?
<snowcra5h>
Plus we have mountains
<mjg>
snowcra5h: reallly? i thought the french canadian are second class citizens
<nortti>
sham1: FP?
<sham1>
Finns' party, PS
<nortti>
ah
<snowcra5h>
mjg: They are not part of Canada
<mjg>
there you go
<snowcra5h>
LOL
<nortti>
gorgonical: yeah. the results were conservatives, far-right, socdems in that order
<mjg>
not true sco^wcanadian
<sham1>
Same with NCP being Kansallinen Kokoomus, National Coalition Party
<nortti>
yeah, I see NCP somewhat, but don't think I've seen FP much
<snowcra5h>
Naw I love the french.
<mjg>
just not french-canadian
<snowcra5h>
LOL
<gorgonical>
I'd like to visit Montreal
<nortti>
might be because I mostly talk about these things with swedes in which case it's be SF
<snowcra5h>
Recon would be a good time to visit gorgonical
<snowcra5h>
during recon rather.
<gorgonical>
I'll have to practice because if I don't say Muntreal they'll know I'm a tourist
<snowcra5h>
Montreal is beautiful
<snowcra5h>
so are the people.
<heat>
how do you join canada
<snowcra5h>
You have to say hi to everyone.
<snowcra5h>
smile and wave a lot.
<heat>
if the united states of america joined canada would this solve the united states of america's problems
<heat>
or would it create canada new ones?
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<gorgonical>
nanaimo bars and poutine for everyone
<snowcra5h>
Oh, don't worry eventually you guys will invade Canada
<gorgonical>
all problems solved
<heat>
at this point it's a theseus's ship north america version
<heat>
>you guys
<snowcra5h>
it's only a matter of time before you run out of oil and take ours.
<heat>
PORTUGUESE CANADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
<snowcra5h>
lol
<snowcra5h>
K back to my code.
<snowcra5h>
gorgonical: I used to live in Nanaimo
<nortti>
< sham1> Linus' father was part of like the very cringe tankie faction of the Finnish socialists when he was younger. It's an interesting thing to read just how many different people got into that stuff ← funniest one is probably björn wahlroos, one of the if not the richest man in finland
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<gorgonical>
no way this guys name is really walrus
<nortti>
björn means 'bear' in swedish
<gorgonical>
snowcra5h: as an American, thank you for inventing nanaimo bars
<mjg>
> As part of the Current Events ™, /r/self has become NSFW. All kinds of posts are happening, including OF models pouncing on the opportunity to gain more clicks.
<heat>
medved means bear in russian
<gorgonical>
an interesting linguistic fact: the word for bear in other indo-european languages has survived, but in germanic languages it was lost and we are left with what means "the brown one" in most of them. It's not quite clear why people stopped saying it, but the theory goes that ancient people were scared that saying the word would summon them, so the euphemism became the word
<mjg>
huh
<Ellenor>
wroooooooo
<nortti>
same's true in finnish
<gorgonical>
I could see how the same fear would be true in Finland
<mjg>
german probably madei t into one word anyway
<mjg>
BigBrownMofer
<mjg>
but in german
<nortti>
karhu, the usual word for 'bear', originally came from karhea 'rough-textured'
<gorgonical>
Finnish is an endlessly fascinating language
<geist>
warm-and-cuddly
<geist>
want-to-hug
<mjg>
RussiansBestFriend
<heat>
ForestKillingMachine
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<snowcra5h>
gorgonical: you are welcome. As a Canadian thank you for having a military.
<zxrom>
Hello from Belarus! :D
<mjg>
don\t piss on the border
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<sham1>
nortti: but björn doesn't even live back here. But yeah, he also went through that cringe phase. Now he's cringe but in another manner
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<sham1>
I'm sensing a pattern of highly political people being cringe
<nortti>
oh right he moved abroad didn't he? wonder why news media still like to ask his take on everything
<sham1>
Yeah, resides in Sweden IIRC
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<sham1>
Something about lower inheritance taxes
<gorgonical>
and better liquor laws I understand
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<sham1>
Liquor laws are *supposed* to be harmonised across the EU. Supposed, but our customs and Valvira are stupid about it
<gorgonical>
I have heard a popular thing to do is take the ferry to sweden via aland and get blasted/buy a bunch of liquor and then come back
<sakasama>
<sham1> "But yeah, imagine that. You don..." <- What if the Earth really is flat, and the reason satellites seem to orbit the earth is that the North Pole actually has a giant pole with a bunch of cables that satellites are tied to and they spin around it.
<sakasama>
Antarctica of course is just the outside edges of the earth, which is why it's so cold, and the North Pole is cold because that giant pole is a heat sink also releasing energy into space. (Aliens put it there.)
<sham1>
So the Earth is a giant top
<bl4ckb0ne>
whos bottom
<sham1>
...
<sakasama>
sham1: The Earth itself doesn't spin: everything else spins around the aliens' giant pole, just like in 70's porno movies.
<sham1>
oh my
<sakasama>
This simplification of scientific observations should be approved by churches everywhere.
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<bl4ckb0ne>
maybe thats why the church banned science in the middle ages
<Ermine>
Science mostly didn't exist in its modern form during medieval afaik
<sakasama>
They weren't very good at imagining believable explanations of those observations, which was rather embarrassing.
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<zid>
well, I went through a bunch of ballache to reinstall microsoft store, as apparently that is a critical component for it to stay working, loads of bollocks
<zid>
totally untrue
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<zid>
okay fixed for real now at least
<zid>
somehow hyper-v was disabled in windows features!? THEN HOW WAS IT WORKING THE FIRST TIME?
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<sham1>
sus
<sham1>
Speaking of Windows, Dave's Garage is a very neat channel
<zid>
windows is sus.
<zid>
never had these issues with vmware.
<gorgonical`>
sham1: so the algorithm showed those videos to you too huh. I just saw the one about task manager
<sham1>
yeah
<gorgonical`>
I really wanted to see his Linux v windows series continued but it's dead it seems
<sham1>
It's theoretically osdev related, so yeah, it's interesting
<zid>
good news, wsl --shutdown bricked it again, but manually taskkilling its processes did fix it
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<zid>
my kernel update worked at least
<gog>
hi
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<zid>
hi gorg
<gog>
hi zide
<zid>
I could now attempt to work on boros, if I wanted
<Ermine>
gog: may I pet you
<gog>
yes
* Ermine
pets gog
* gog
prr
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<mjg>
sham1: i'm afraid that guy is a slimy little shit
<bslsk05>
edk2.groups.io: Issue OVMF + CSM(seabios), while booting win98: "While initializing device VCACHE: Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer."
<Ermine>
Lmao
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<mcrod>
this is a great day
<mcrod>
over half of my code changes for a new feature are now unnecessary
<mcrod>
i spent a month on that shit.
<heat_>
want a hug
<heat_>
?
<mcrod>
yes
* heat_
hog mcrod
* mcrod
hog heat_
<zid>
heat what incredible thing should I do with WSL
<zid>
now that it sorta works
<heat_>
linux stuff
<heat_>
wait, incredible thing?
<heat_>
uninstall it
<zid>
run hwloc?
<zid>
glxgears!
<mcrod>
use it with a $40 video game controller
<zid>
ACCELERATED OPENGL
<heat_>
the first thing one should do with linux is uninstall it
<heat_>
go back to windows, enjoy your xbox one controller
<zid>
heat buy me an xbox one controller
<heat_>
no
<heat_>
do you have an xbox 360 one? i can't remember
<mjg>
there were numerous soap operas with the same fucked up general premise
<mjg>
making a killing in poland
<mjg>
all imported from argentina
<heat_>
thats too long
<heat_>
can you make a tiktok for me?
<heat_>
my attention span isn't long enough
<heat_>
or play some weird mobile game in splitscreen
<heat_>
heck, both
<gog>
mjg: that's a big fucken ooof
<mjg>
general plot line: rich af people, a woman from poor af background who turns out to be a secret lovechild of one of the main characters
<mjg>
is dating his son
<heat_>
every portuguese soap opera ever
<mjg>
except turns out the son is in fact not his, so it's fine after all
<gog>
ah, a narrowly-avoided incest type situation
<mjg>
sot hey walk around mansions and fuck with help
<mjg>
gog: i bet they were both disappolinted
<mjg>
gog: also you can tell this is not game of thrones, innit
<heat_>
they fuck with what?
<gog>
heat_: service workers
<mjg>
they have servants who they treat like shite
<heat_>
oh
<mjg>
bonus points if the poor woman is one of them
<heat_>
does it end in CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
<mjg>
it ends with a fucking wedding
<mjg>
a real tear jerker
<gog>
it's a jerker alright
<heat_>
yeah i bet you were jerking mjg
<mjg>
you could perform non-intrusive lobotomies by having people bingewatch this
<mjg>
heat_: ye, the main guy was hot, what can i say
<heat_>
you're severely overestimating how unique that garbage show is
<mjg>
00:11 < mjg> there were numerous soap operas with the same fucked up general premise
<mjg>
help me emphasize this statement
<mjg>
maybe in espanol
<heat_>
hay muchas putas novelas con la miesma premisa
<mjg>
miesma premisa reads a little like PESSIMAL
<heat_>
el BSD abierto es muy PESSIMO
<mjg>
how do you 'OH' in spanish-american?
<heat_>
a very stereotypical ayayay or some shit
<mjg>
AYAYAYA or some shit
<mjg>
lemme /polish/ the entire predicament. pokurwiona telenowela
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<mjg>
interestingly there were also popular polish soap operas made by the state
<mjg>
and they did not take any pages from the above
<mjg>
weird
<gorgonical>
why have websites decided that it's better to hide the search bar inside a button after two decades of having a big rectangular box that screams "this is the search bar"
<gorgonical>
now every search bar just looks like all the other buttons
<heat_>
employment
<gorgonical>
why github did you do this
<heat_>
oh yes the redesign sucks i agree
<mjg>
are you channeling a boomer
<gorgonical>
I just spent ten seconds looking for the goddamn search
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<gorgonical>
mjg: i am definitely a tech boomer
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<gorgonical>
I'm on a irc channel
<heat_>
mjg, HELLO Jarosław, LET US GO TO THE CHURCH AND ENJOY GOOD TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC FAMILY VALUES. the end
<mjg>
heat_: not far off!
<gorgonical>
sausages and kurwa
<mjg>
heat_: there was one with a priest as one of the main characters
<gorgonical>
that's the extent of my polish cultural knowledge
<mjg>
'kurwa' is the primary polish export
<mjg>
yw
<zid>
I thought it was polish people
<mjg>
OH
<zid>
like 4 of my family members are married to polish women
<mjg>
lol
<mjg>
suckers
<zid>
They've never left england
<mjg>
on both ends
<mjg>
polish women are the worst
* mjg
knows :X
<zid>
I can't understand them enough to tell
<zid>
presumably the sex is good?
<mjg>
depends, is she cheating with you?
<zid>
who cares, if it's with you
<mjg>
i am sayin it dictates quality
<mjg>
vs a relationship
<zid>
btw, you're a polish man, so you're not actually qualified
<zid>
polish women like english men, not poles
<mjg>
the like the accent, don't they
<zid>
money*
<zid>
polish women are like thai brides but you don't have to pay import duty
<mjg>
yay EU
<mjg>
innit
<mjg>
except that's done
<zid>
still easy free visa for fruit pickers and au pairs
<zid>
just say she picks strawberries for 2 months a year
<mjg>
i think they like how you people pronounce "bottle of water"
<heat_>
just be careful and don't do a hans reiser
<mjg>
botaaa uhv wawtah is it?
<zid>
which one
<zid>
liverpool, blackpool, blackburn, newcastle, birmingham, dudley, edinburg, central london, city of london, east london, south london, cambridge, essex, wessex, york, lancash..
<zid>
all different!
<mjg>
all sound like bad teeth tbh
<heat_>
do it scouse
<mjg>
which has the most chavs per capita
<mjg>
btw funny story
<mjg>
i had a chat with a priest once
<mjg>
back when i was in my early 20s
<mjg>
he told me that when i start looking for a wife i need to avoid all the devout women
<mjg>
Ermine: mate, if you want to know the real openbsd spirit, search for vulns rpeorted by qualys
<mjg>
mind-boggling stuff
<Ermine>
openbsd vulns?
<mjg>
yea
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<heat_>
oxymoron
<heat_>
openbsd does not have vulns
<heat_>
by definition
<mjg>
onyxmoron
<heat_>
hi its me
<mjg>
it does have theo by definition
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<mjg>
after one particularly embarassing vuln the obsd fanboys tried to spin it as a great win
<mjg>
the system had teh problem and now it does not
<klange>
Please be advised that this channel has reached its bsd discussion quota for the day.
<mjg>
0 acknowledgment of utter failure
<heat_>
theodore deRoosevelt
<mjg>
but it is 1:17 :S
<heat_>
yup, we've spent it THAT quickly
<klange>
bsd discussion quotas are evaluated on a sliding 24 hour time frame
* mjg
takes a nap
<mjg>
to be continued!
<kazinsal>
ah shit
<kazinsal>
new april fools osdev idea just popped into my head
<kazinsal>
uwunix
<klange>
that just sounds like ponyos with extra steps
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<mjg>
be advised april fool ideas quota is at 50%
<klange>
please be advised there are 284 days until april 1st (* depending on time zone)
<kazinsal>
perfect, that's just enough time for me to procrastinate on it
<heat_>
sowwy kewnew cwashed UwU
<kazinsal>
#define fuckywucky panic
<heat_>
data cowwuption has been found, sowwy 👉👈
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<zid>
wsl2 made a file called ext4.vmdk
<zid>
do you think I can trick it into using zfs
<klange>
april fools idea: implementation localization in toaruos, but the only localization is uwu
<klange>
implement*
<klange>
discord has ruined me, i can't type corectly anywmore
<heat_>
zid, you can probably just repartition it or something
<heat_>
but please, reconsider
<mjg>
osdev discord?
<mjg>
how big is the shitting on bsd quota on that one?
<mjg>
i don't know if i can get my fill just by ranting over here
<klange>
they don't reach the bsd quota
<heat_>
"what's BSD LOL :pepe:"
<mjg>
does discord use : for emojis?
<mjg>
sounds very slackey
<heat_>
yes
<mjg>
aight
<klange>
discord is slack for not-work
<mjg>
:sadpepe:
<mjg>
heat_: one last funny story before i'm out
<heat_>
discord is slack for slacking
<mjg>
heat_: back in the day there was a polish messaging app
<mjg>
heat_: some people started saying stuff like "lol", "rotfl" and others which i was confident they don't know about
<klange>
they gave me mod on the osdev discord server, and i accepted; i am the universal janitor of osdev
<heat_>
oh no!
<mjg>
heat_: turns out there was an alternate client where you would inject emojis by hand and it would translate them into plain words
<mjg>
heat_: and back, as long as you had the client, which i did not
<klange>
still don't have mod on /r/osdev but reddit is imploding so it probably doesn't matter; just need to start an osdev lemmy and i can get in on the ground floor
<bslsk05>
twitter: <openzfsonwindow> ✓ Install #OpenZFS on #Windows ✓ Install #WSL2 Ubuntu  ✓Access ZFS cmds from Ubuntu  ✓ Mount ZFS dataset in both   Loving that I can run the zpool.exe from Linux, I can probably run the zfstester without porting.  😱🤔 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKhFTMFU8AAaYTH.jpg
<mjg>
klange: from what i hear reddit will be fine
<heat_>
yeah reddit's fine and the boycott pretty much failed
<mjg>
klange: numerous subs reopened on thier own, and others are tkaen over
<heat_>
none of the subreddits i use are closed
<kazinsal>
what is a lemmy other than the late innovator of speed metal
<klange>
the ones being taken over are what really spells the end of reddit
<heat_>
is it?
<mjg>
so far it looks like people were ok with the proest as long as it did not mess with their entertainment too much
<CompanionCube>
the ceo gives off big freenode vibes but as with twitter nothing big will really happen
<CompanionCube>
also he explicitly cites musk as inspiration, lol
<heat_>
reddit is fine, just like twitter
<heat_>
no hipster distributed alternative will ever work, Facts
<heat_>
(tm)
<mjg>
now that 2 days have passed and they got their fill of being outside
<mjg>
they want back on the subs
<CompanionCube>
wonder which place will do it in 2024
<kazinsal>
the freenode -> libera switchover was nice and clean because it was already a bunch of tech nerds and IRC networks were already relatively decentralized by nature
<mjg>
also libera has only a fraction of the usrebase
<kazinsal>
reddit -> whatever would just be a pain in the ass that no one's gonna bother with