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<zid> monster's expedition is hard
<gog> hi
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<mcrod> gog may I pet you
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<bl4ckb0ne> mcrod are you using meson yet
<mcrod> bl4ckb0ne no
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<gog> mcrod: yes
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* mcrod pets gog
* gog prr
<mcrod> https://i.imgur.com/mdqg9EM.jpeg this is perfect
<bslsk05> ​i.imgur.com <no title>
<gog> oh dang you use arch
<zid> your monitor is too expensive for me sorry
<gog> same
<mcrod> :(
<zid> please place it another 2 feet away and adjust the dpi accordingly
<mcrod> no I love this shit so much
<mcrod> gog: I'm waiting for it to explode from one yay -Syu
<gog> yay
<zid> I should emerge @world
<zid> gotta make sure all my packages are -mtune=amdamdamdamd
<mcrod> i had to use some stupid extensions to restore functionality that has existed since the before times
<mcrod> i.e., tray icons and maximize/minimize buttons
<zid> I can't, because rust is installed
<zid> I need 11GB more free disk space to update it
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<mcrod> the honeymoon is over on CMake presets
<mcrod> why does this shit fight with me all of the fucking time
<bl4ckb0ne> honeymoon never ends with meson
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<bl4ckb0ne> is there any doc on the osdev wiki about initializing the mmu for x86?
<Mutabah> Pretty sure there's lots
<bl4ckb0ne> where to start?
<Mutabah> https://wiki.osdev.org/Paging looks good from a quick search
<bslsk05> ​wiki.osdev.org: Paging - OSDev Wiki
<bl4ckb0ne> sounds good
<bl4ckb0ne> its for a uefi bootloader
<bslsk05> ​blog.llandsmeer.com: Building an UEFI x64 kernel from scratch: A long trip to userspace
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<Mutabah> Ermine: :/
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<poggers> feelin pog rn
* kazinsal gasps
<kazinsal> les poggeurs
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* moon-child pogs poggily at poggers
* poggers pogs peacefully
* bnchs pets poggers
<Ermine> poggers: may I pet you
<poggers> Ermine: yes
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<sham1> But there is no gog here
<GeDaMo> Maybe it's a Spoonerism, "gets pog"
<GeDaMo> But you shouldn't use gets, use fgets instead :P
<bnchs> GeDaMo: i'm getting my pog from my STDs
<bnchs> STD out
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<Ermine> Indeed. That happned automatically
* Ermine pet poggers
* Ermine uses gets
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<sham1> NO
<sham1> BAD ERMINE
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<Ermine> root@Ermine:~ #
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<bslsk05> ​github.com: freebsd-src/lib/librt/sigev_thread.c at main · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub
<heat> your venerable UNIX LEGACEY system creates a thread per SIGEV_THREAD event :^
<heat> glibc suffers from the same fwiw
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<lechner> Hi, UEFI uses a short machine type to differentiate the boot paths, such as grubx64.efi. Are those short codes defined anywhere, please? How about the corresponding long ones? Thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI#Operating_systems
<puck> it's defined where all the other uefi things are defined :p
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<zid> It's even linked
<zid> directly from that page
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<zid> where short name of the machine type can be IA32, X64, IA64, ARM or AA64.[29]
<zid> click the [29]
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<zid> it takes you to the uefi spec
<heat> if something takes you to the uefi spec, DO NOT CLICK ON IT
<zid> then there's table 3.4
<zid> heat: agreed
<zid> but some people are masochists
<puck> the fun part is there's no official name for risc-v 64-bit boot file
<heat> probably rv64?
<puck> i think this probably stems from the fact the COFF spec for risc-v is .. kinda half-baked
<heat> riscv64 in UEFI is very very new
<puck> it only exists for relocating full binaries
<puck> heat: i blame microsoft for this actually. they don't have a need to compile whatever the COFF .o equivalent is for rv64
<heat> why microsoft?
<puck> heat: guess who owns the COFF spec
<heat> the half-bakedyness of riscv64 EFI has nothing to do with them
<puck> yes it does
<puck> > The PE Executable machine type is contained in the machine field of the COFF file header as defined in the Microsoft Portable Executable and Common Object File Format Specification, Revision 6.0
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<heat> vendors fucking send their shit upstream to the microsoft PE spec, they have nothing to do with this
<heat> the same shit applies to loongarch
<heat> i wouldn't be surprised if the loongarch PE spec was full of typos
<puck> heat: it's three lines
<puck> namely:
<puck> relocations: IMAGE_REL_BASED_LOONGARCH32_MARK_LA (32-bit absolute address formed in two consecutive instructions)
<puck> and IMAGE_REL_BASED_LOONGARCH64_MARK_LA (64-bit absolute address formed in *four* consecutive instructions)
<zid> bootrsicv128.efi
<puck> ah. four. because there's IMAGE_FILE_MACHINE_LOONGARCH32 and LOONGARCH64
<zid> what, why
<heat> wait what haha is ti really?
<puck> heat: yes.
<bslsk05> ​learn.microsoft.com: PE Format - Win32 apps | Microsoft Learn
<heat> that's funny
<heat> PE is a funny format
<heat> they all share almost all relocs
<puck> heat: and the lerocations are image relocation only
<puck> heat: the issue is the risc-v elf spec has relocations you can't represent in COFF
<zid> here's my great idea
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<zid> you provide a COFF that is just an ELF loader
<puck> zid: the thing is, you can just objcopy once you have the ELF
<puck> the actual reason i'm aware of this is someone trying to make the rust efi stuff compile to rv64, but it can't, because it can't link ELF .o files into a PE file, so you'd need to have an objcopy step :v
<heat> yes obviously
<heat> that's how the tianocore garbage build system does it too
<heat> but they actually translate relocs
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<heat> brb i'm busy actively fighting with efi atm
<puck> heat: right, the dynamic relocations can all be represented
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<puck> but the static ones were the issue when doing the compilation in all-COFF (i'm assuming you check the logs lol)
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<lechner> thanks, everone! i found table 3.4. risc-v 64 is in there, btw
<puck> right. i was looking at an older spec
<gog> i decided i'm going to reimplement unix
<gog> just kidding, illumos is the only implementation of unix we need
<puck> xv6!
<zid> risc128 is there, I wtf'd at it
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<geist> not entirely, it's mostly just reserved space for a possible extension, IIRC
<geist> but it's a fairly straightforward logical extension
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<Ermine> Are GH actions free hours limited per-project or globally?
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<mrvn> risc128, tss. I just want vector opcodes in loops where the CPU determines the stride size, not the binary.
<mcrod> hi
<mcrod> i think a bee stung me in my ear.
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<moon-child> variable length vectors are fraught
<zid> mcrod: sure it isn't a spot/zit?
<morgan> idk do your zits tend to loudly fly away afterwards
<zid> he didn't say his ear flew off morgan smh, pay more attention
<morgan> maybe thats what happened to van gogh
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<moon-child> van gogh more like van go away amirite folks I'll be here all night
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<morgan> van go WHERE. van go road???
<mrvn> road go bye bey
<mrvn> moon-child: It's not variable length, just variable stride
<moon-child> what do you mean by stride?
<mrvn> the number of bytes the cpu does in one go
<moon-child> how's that different from the vector size?
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<heat> So, erm, update from my phone. I tried to update my dbx manually from the firmware and it bricked itself, so now I can't disable secure boot nor boot shit, the only thing it can do is open the firmware settings
<heat> TL;DR fuck me
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<zid> bios is better.
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<zid> sick
<zid> I rebooted, windows switched over to hyper-v cus I'd asked it to install WSL
<zid> I need a tar ball to install linux to wsl, my VM no longer works because hyper-v is installed
<zid> I hope I have gunzip for mingw somewhere..
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<zid> heat: bios is better
<heat> Holy crap i cant find the SPI chip to save my life man
<heat> I don't find a fucking CMOS battery either, just found the EC
<zid> what's a dbx in this context
<heat> Database of very bad not good sha256 hashes for UEFI apps
<heat> Kept in flash
<zid> oh, what device is this on then
<heat> I loaded it from uefi.org, it ate it, now im fucked
<heat> I fucked my laptop
<zid> tell me what it is
<heat> Figuratively, to be clear
<zid> I will google things for you on a real monitor
<heat> ASUS a542u
<heat> I found a schematic that has EC and the SPI rom very nearby, but it doesn't seem to reflect realitt
<heat> Reality
<heat> It seems to share mobos with the x542u
<zid> uq and uv also exist..
<zid> and uqr..
<moon-child> wait there's a blacklist? What's the point of that?
<heat> Its the same garbage i think
<puck> heat: hrm, what happnes if you try to disable secureboot?
<heat> It hangs if it ever tries to look at dbx I think.... cant boot (hangs), cant go to the secure boot vars menu (hangs), can't reset with factory settings (hangs)
<heat> moon-child: its so you can blacklist vulnerable hashes, like the semi recent windows bootloaders that all got blacklisted as they could be exploited to break secure boot
<zid> and there's no ASUS EZFLASH hotkey or anything?
<puck> there's an amibios recovery thing
<heat> I've tried flashing, didnt wipe variables...
<heat> Tried switching RAM spots (so hw change could mean wiping or some garbage), nothing
<zid> hold power for 40 seconds?
<heat> Tried that many times, didnt seem to work
<puck> woooorst case you could flash a replacement bios with setup.efi replaced with like. efi shell
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<heat> I can't even find the SPI puck...
<puck> no i mean via ezflash
<heat> But it's signed
<puck> is it?
<moon-child> heat: oh vulnerable ok yeah that makes sense
<heat> I fucking hope so
<zid> can you get into ezflash? if you can't you might be able to trigger recovery mode regardless
<heat> Yeah i can get into ezflash
<moon-child> I was thinking for malicious stuff it would be easy to change bits
<puck> heat: the PEI is, the boot sector is
<zid> and reflashing to a random different minor version doesn't help?
<zid> usually that triggers a cmos clear
<puck> heat: but you can freely sideload your own efi binaries
<heat> puck: every module Should Be
<heat> (Tm)
<puck> i found a boardview for the x542uq
<heat> In theory there's no ring 0 code unsigned
<puck> and i cannot find shit here but all i have is part numbers
<zid> anyway, asus vivobook says to cmos reset, unplug power, hold power button for 40 seconds
<heat> zid: interesting suggestion...
<zid> I'd do the 40 second thing first, ezflash second, then cry third
<heat> Let me try and reassemble this garbage again
<puck> heat: the EC is the ITE chip, right?
<heat> Yes puck
<heat> Nothing looks large enough to be SPI eeprom, nothing looks like a traditional, large CMOS battery either
<zid> large enough to be spi?
<zid> mine are all 8 pin and microscopic
<puck> heat: it's likely you have no CMOS battery
<zid> like, 4mm per side
<heat> Hmm
<puck> heat: actually on the x542 board i'm looking at
<zid> I've had laptops with real cmos batteries, so that you can remove the laptop battery and not lose your clock, before everything was nvram instead
<zid> by which I mean, flash
<puck> heat: to the .. side of the CPU whicih doesn't have the chipset
<puck> heat: just above( or under, depending on your perspective) the ram slot
<puck> or i've fgucked up and am looking at completely the wrong device
<puck> which is totally possible
<heat> Can you share wtf you're looking at?
<heat> It's the same mobo btw
<zid> why did you even take it apart?
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<heat> Cuz i tried everything else but removing the cmos battery or some garbo
<puck> heat: i think it's on the bottom side
<puck> heat: like, you can see the cpu heatasink mounts just above the large bit of metal foil https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/1/6/csm_Asus_Vivobook_15_X542UF_Innereien_071966dd10.jpg
<puck> i think if you flip the board relative to that pic and then look to the left of the CPU heatsink, that's my best guess
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<heat> Yes but where in that pic is the cmos?
<zid> heat: but you.. didn't try the two basic thigns?
<puck> heat: oh there's snone most likely
<heat> I did zid, except downgrading
<puck> heat: just unplug your battery
<zid> you did the hold power for 40?
<heat> Yep
<zid> did you verify it at least unset the clock? :P
<heat> puck: so you didnt see an actual CMOS?
<heat> zid: flashing set the clock back to 2019
<puck> heat: i'd put my bet on it there's none
<puck> heat: but also, there's a second issue with that: efivars are stored in non-volatile storage
<heat> Ok let me reassemble this garbo, lets see
<puck> heat: so i'm going to assume the flash chip is to the left of the cpu
<heat> Well, some vars are wiped when the CMOS is reset im pretty sure
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<puck> even then, that wouldn't include the dbx, i bet
<heat> Am I fucked? I think I'm fucked
<puck> nah
<puck> just clip onto the SOIC chip :p
<heat> I'm trying to find the part number for the SPI flash
<puck> GD25B64CSIGR?
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<heat> So, erm, is there a good eeprom programmer brand?
<heat> This all looks kinda cheap and untrustworthy
<zid> You should find someone who's really good at efi bios stuff to help you