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<geist>
wow really quiet day today
<geist>
or something is broken
<klange>
I suspect our routine visitor has had some effect on community activity.
<clever>
ive mostly been working on getting camera support on the rpi firmware
<clever>
the peripheral isnt acting right at all, like registers not being in the what the datasheet says the reset default is
<zid>
I could tell you how much warframe I've been playing if you like
<zid>
answer: almost non stop
<klange>
I've been thinking about this release roadmap and what I am evening aiming for. Who am I building this for? What do the handful of brave souls who see a hobby OS on the orange website and actually to download it and boot it on something do?
<clever>
thats why my goal is to just run plain old linux
<zid>
klange: yea that's always a problem
<zid>
Even if it's something simpler, who's going to use your random x app when industry-standard y already exists
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<zid>
osdev makes it even worse because it's harder to use at all
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<zid>
I guess maybe the best thing to do might be to get bought out by some device manufacturer and hired to work on your own project :p
<klange>
that's the thing, really, like I think I've got a good idea of what people would do with an OS they're actually intending to use, but what is the user story for random dude on reddit who plops your ISO in VirtualBox for five minutes?
<zid>
probably just clicks around and sees what the default install has in the games menu and whether the toolkit is ugly
<ZetItUp>
well Linus said he was thinking the same thing when he made Linux
<ZetItUp>
different times thou
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<zid>
linux was rapidly useful because there were no free unices
<klange>
Well, there was BSD, but no one was actually sure at the time.
<klange>
And by the time it was definitively figured out, Linux had won.
<klange>
It's really interesting to poke at early Linux releases and see how rapidly it gains contributions and features. It's also important to remember that GNU was already quite a ways long with things like their libc and userspace utilities, and Linux was focused on running those things from close to the start.
<j`ey>
and how much simpler GCC and bash would have been to support back then
<kazinsal>
386BSD showed up about a year after Linux iirc
<kazinsal>
and quickly forked off into FreeBSD and NetBSD because the Jolitzes couldn't get along with the various patchset maintainers
<klange>
It's complicated as it started as... a blog! In January of '91.
<kazinsal>
that's sort of one of the cultural differences between Linux and BSD. in the BSD world, new generations form because people don't get along with the previous maintainers. in the Linux world, there's only ever been one head maintainer, and he intentionally makes it difficult to get along with him to maintain dominance ;)
<klange>
Also that's what I mean about no one actually being sure about BSD existing at the time - development of 386BSD predated Linux, but its release was problematic due to the unresolved legal questions.
<kazinsal>
yeah, BSD/386 (later BSD/OS) from Berkeley Software Design Inc probably set permissive licensed unices back a couple years with them going to court against AT&T
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<kazinsal>
my biggest blocker lately has been a lack of proper hardware to test with... virtualbox regressions keep screwing up my test case (virtual switch forwarding keeps getting more and more screwed up, now it does all sorts of nasty retransmissions that causes TCP connections to break a lot) so I need to get some physical hardware to run on
<kazinsal>
I'd feel more comfortable if I could trust the switch I'm "plugged into" to actually work properly
<kazinsal>
so I eventually need to get a cheap little box I can shove a few NICs into and PXE boot new builds from
<kazinsal>
s/from/on/
<j`ey>
that;d be cool
<kazinsal>
unfortunately pcengines is extremely out of stock and isn't expecting more until 2022
<kazinsal>
so the low cost segment is completely hooped
<kazinsal>
the ideal test machine is three NICs; one on one lab VLAN, one on another lab VLAN, and one on the main data VLAN in my apartment
<kazinsal>
PXE boot over the data VLAN and then once the OS is up it's just an interface ready for doing interface stuff
<klange>
My thinkpad reached a week of uptime today, so I must not have been doing much hardware testing... just updated it to the latest build a bit ago so now it has the debugger.
<kazinsal>
nice! my eventual goal is to be able to demo it to people by going "it's been my firewall at home for several months now without a hitch"
<kazinsal>
the pie-in-the-sky dream is to be able to sell networking appliances running it, but that's a few dozen major milestones away at least ;)
<klange>
Ya know, I say I want to build something for educational reasons, esp. after lagging behind on x86-64 and SMP and whatnot for so long while people oggled my pretty UI, but...
<klange>
I think my real goal is to have something that tricks people into thinking it's a Linux distribution, because I have a sick enjoyment of "the reveal"...
<j`ey>
I think its hard to tell by just looking at it!
<kazinsal>
the real life goal is to make guido van rossum upset because your python is better than his python
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<geist>
oh! pulled the disk out of this arm workstation thinking i'd take a disk image before attempting an ubuntuo update
<geist>
turns out... it's a U2 disk
<vdamewood>
The Joshua Tree?
<geist>
Boy!
<j`ey>
wth is a U2 disk
<geist>
that was kinda my thought until i just learned about it
<vdamewood>
j`ey: Kind of like a Taylor Swift disc, but by U2 instead.
<bslsk05>
ubuntu.com: Using the server installer | Ubuntu
<geist>
possible if i plugged in a monitor and whatnot could get one, but also entirely possible the server install iso has no drivers for console/keyboard
<geist>
ah interesting
* geist
tries that
<geist>
takes a good 5 minutes to boot, so will have to see
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<geist>
oh! yep, ctrl-z totally breaks out of it
<j`ey>
yay
<geist>
it didn't detect it disk, which it also doesnt do about 50% of the time, but this is a start
<geist>
i'll do this tomorrow
<geist>
thanks!
<j`ey>
good luck!
<klange>
geist: usually they're cards with a breakout cable
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