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<diagnostics_> zid: it was rather far of my best days, and grand totally i am several times/fold weaker than i should had been today. The truth table of the buses should had been correct also though, whenever you add from negative or positive terminal equal forces to the bus, the result is replacement i.e cancelled to only one voltage , the resistance changes, it goes through faster but the amount remains, so if you add two positive , the result is adding not
<diagnostics_> replacement, so one combination is like you push and repal at the same time, one is only repel or push should be the final view, where definition of high is potential differences towards positive net charge on either of the sides of the input bus
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<nero> are all ban masks from the same guy?
<j`ey> yes
<nero> s/from/for/
<Mutabah> So far, yep.
<Mutabah> actually, no - ... but most of them are
<nero> Mutabah: do you have admin access to the wiki?
<Mutabah> Forum moderator, not admin - sorry
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<klange> I don't know of anyone that has elevated privs on the wiki, or access to the database, and I'm not even sure what is necessary from MediaWiki to do what you're asking for.
<Mutabah> I see that I have permissions to add protection on pages
<nero> klange: having an account deleted
<Mutabah> Might be able to do a full delete on a page, but likely can't do more than that
<klange> MediaWiki does not offer any such functionality, it would need to be done with direct database access and I am not sure what the ramifications would be. It's likely very involved to prune references to a user from all of the relevant tables.
* Mutabah sees the moderation queue, and winces
<klange> Yawn, 8 pages?
<klange> I'll prune it tomorrow...
<klange> Bots are gonna eat up all of the possible usernames at this rate.
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<Mutabah> Eh, I'll clean it up
<klange> but I have a tooool
<Mutabah> Ooh, nice
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<klange> I need to just rewrite it as a regular userscript instead of an extension, but it adds a button that bans accounts while also disapproving/deleting posts, and it works in both the topic and reply views
<Mutabah> Ah... hmm... I've just been disapproving
<mjg> so how about a captcha when resgistering
<Mutabah> There is one
<klange> The current batch of bots does reuse accounts quite a lot.
<mjg> you could ask what register holds page tables on x64 or something
<klange> There is a "captcha" but it's, uh... a static question.
<Mutabah> but it's a simple bit of domain knowledge
<mjg> and they are getting past that?
<klange> That's almost literally what the question is.
<mjg> lol
<mjg> well
<mjg> so what's going on there?
<klange> I think it's what register some x86-32 thing uses but it's been a while.
<Mutabah> Someone's answered the captcha and taught the bots'
<klange> Well it's a single static question with a static answer, so it ended up on a list somewhere and, game over.
<Mutabah> klange: Sorry, I've just done 7 pages worth of disapprove only
<mjg> someone specifically targeting osdev wiki is pretty sad
<Mutabah> wiki is safe
<Mutabah> it's the forums
<mjg> same stuff :)
<nero> is that also the martsteiner guy
<mjg> i mean same comment
<klange> The wiki group requires users to have already been approved into the regular posters group, so the wiki is safe from bot raids.
<klange> nero: No, it's just the usual russian spambots scouring the internet for anything with an open form field
<klange> It's a phpBB installation, it works like any other, so it's targeted by the same off-the-shelf garbage dumps as everything else in the world.
<klange> mjg: Of course, the real answer isn't "we have a captcha like that" it's "no one has the access rights to change anything with user registration"
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<klange> ugh, do wallpapers really make up 2/3rds of my ramdisk...
<gog> anime girls are important
<klange> none of them are anime girls!
<gog> what why not
<gog> you should have at least one hatsune miku wallpaper c'mon
<klange> well, for one, that would not count as an "anime girl" wallpaper, and two, there are _rules_ here.
<clever> :D
<gog> :p
<jimbzy> Would Princess Fiona from Shrek count as an anime girl?
<klange> ToaruOS ships with an expanding collection of primarily landscape photos I've taken over the years.
<jimbzy> Asking for a friend...
<gog> i'm an anime girl
<jimbzy> Do you go to conventions dressed as yourself?
<gog> yes
<jimbzy> Nice.
<klange> I used to take screenshots, like 9~10 years ago, with Miku wallpapers, but that was looong before "the rules".
<klange> And I don't believe I ever shipped a release image with one.
<klange> 7.8MB of wallpapers... I could plop all but the default into a package... since they're JPGs they don't gzip well, so that accounts for a considerable chunk of the final compressed ramdisk image.
<gog> could you convert them to a format with better compression?
<clever> my gfx code lacks jpeg support, so ive only been able to use RLE compressed tga files
<gog> oooooof
<gog> would webp be hard to implement?
<klange> I could use a better JPG compressor, but anything else would require implementing a decoder, and the JPG decoder was already enough of a trip.
<gog> ah yeah
<clever> gog: the hardware scaler also cant deal with 4608 x 3456 input images being scaled down to 720x480, so those are out of the question anyways
<clever> those all came out to 45mb, lol
<gog> oh gosh
<gog> 8MB is pretty paltry compared to that lol
<clever> 45mb for each image, lol
<gog> yeah
<klange> I only really need to ship _one_ wallpaper...
<kingoffrance> well fractals are everywhere in nature, so a fractal program will obviously suffice to replace any nature photos
<clever> in my case, i was testing some slideshow code, and grabbed an array of rpi images
<kingoffrance> *obviously* the math is all the same
<gog> or even just a transparent PNG with a logo or something
<gog> and then have a wallpaper package downloadable
<klange> And I'm being silly, my CDs are like 15MB for the whole OS, I'm just reading this orange website link about a 5MB distribution of Windows 98 and thinking about how slim I can get things...
<kingoffrance> a bunch of random lines, totally replaces nature
<clever> klange: 5mb for win 98???
<clever> win95 along took up 14 floppies!
<kingoffrance> there were lite
<kingoffrance> unofficial 3rd party but yeah, people did try to fit things in ram etc.
<gog> yeah you can trim a lot of fat from old windows
<gog> i loved my nlite-modified XP disc
<clever> the smallest ive gotten things, was a single 109kb binary, that boots in 0.61 seconds, and has a working command prompt and ext4 drivers
<gog> nice
<gog> i love stuff like that
<clever> but it had no graphics beyond the console font
<clever> that 109kb binary, included the ram-init code
<clever> the ram is not even functioning, when the binary starts!
<kingoffrance> it was also somewhat about ie being bundled too i think. "look, you can remove it, its not needed" ......
<kingoffrance> i mean, not arguing either way....just ppl argued that
<kingoffrance> look, proof it can be removed!
<clever> kingoffrance: i remember trying to copy a win95 install from one machine to another, one file at a time, using errors and guesswork to see which file i need next
<clever> i never got it to work
<kingoffrance> :/
<clever> but i knew barely anything about how windows worked back then
<kingoffrance> one work place tried to do that with linux vms. maybe not impossible...but we have package managers
<kingoffrance> *VMs
<kingoffrance> *place i worked
<clever> if i was to attempt that today, i would use qemu to trace what disk blocks it reads during boot
<clever> and then work backwards to see what file each block is within
<clever> any file it didnt read, it clearly doesnt need, delete those first!
<clever> then focus on what remains
<kingoffrance> its never a good idea anyway IMO unless you have no other option. windows programs have installers too. you gonna copy files + registry + who knows what else, and pray it works on some other machine? some apps maybe designed for that, but many not
<kingoffrance> so called "portable apps" i guess are designed for that
<Mutabah> klange: May I suggest png-compressed anime backgrounds for more space efficiency?
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<clever> Mutabah: oh, that reminds me
<clever> *uploads*
<klange> Mutabah: Funny thing is the entire reason I wrote a JPG decoder was for my wallpapers, which were not suited to PNG...
<clever> klange: i had found a set of minimalist wallpapers a while back, https://imgur.com/a/NPtzqYe
<clever> they are all palet friendly ones, so you could really compress those hard
<klange> For the record, the rule here is "no outside content on the CD, except DejaVu, and maybe a certificate chain if we ever get around to an in-house TLS implementation otherwise that's still in the mbedTLS package".
<klange> "also libgcc because I finally figured out how to build that shared corectly"
<clever> ahh
<klange> Oh right there's a libstdc++ on here... there's only one C++ app in the codebase and it's "test-cxx.c++"
<klange> That's a whole megabyte at least that could be shaved!
<clever> lol
<klange> libgcc_s.so.1 is 86K. libstdc++.so.6.0.28 is... 1140.
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<klange> Back when I was first starting my "NIH" project, I did do a tiny little "micro" distro of ToaruOS. Bitmap fonts, no included wallpaper...
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<pohlad2> So the final thing mentally ill monkeys is that AXI protocol on wikipedia is very illustratively and self-explanatorily explained or demonstrated and also all the southbridge , nortpridge pch or hubs are described, i do not fucking care what happens to idiots like kevin lange, i am not sure why japanease have not punished him allready but probably with such monkeys like geist added everyone develops diarrhea, i am sick also looking like wtf. your
<pohlad2> genetical illness causes to the world, like total mistakes in the world. And i suffered under many of my loved people just lost right from my hands, i will never like your clueless stories anyhow cause i do not forgive you either cause of my losses carried over your scams.
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<gog> breh
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<Mutabah> Ah, he left
<nero> would be fun to train a markov bot on his writings
<nero> and use it to detect him
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<Mutabah> It's tempting
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<dzwdz> why not use the markov chains to create a bot which joins this channel randomly
<dzwdz> it could save the guy some work
<clever> lol
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<dzwdz> actually
<dzwdz> we don't know if they're a human, do we
<Mutabah> fairly sure they are
<gog> they're human
<gog> we actually had a conversation yesterday
<gog> almost a breakthrough
<gog> but then back to this today
<dzwdz> oh
<dzwdz> i see
<dzwdz> how long have they been here for?
<Mutabah> ~5 years
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<Mutabah> sorry, 4.5
<dzwdz> wow...
<dzwdz> always been this bad?
<gog> they don't stick with their medication regimen
<nero> is it an actual shizo?
<Mutabah> Not really... early on he had maybe interesting ideas about GPUdesign
<gog> he described having bad experiences being overmedicated in the hospital and that's probably why
<gog> nero: his speech is pretty consisent with that
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<dzwdz> does a.out have some magic number in its header?
<j`ey> according to include/uapi/linux/a.out.h
<j`ey> there's a few 0407 0410 0413 0314
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<GeDaMo> "Singularity – Microsoft’s Experimental OS"
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<verlda> I am afraid you actually know what happened, doctors lined up a round defense against me, cause fairly honestly i told one of my old friends how they treated my knee which was essential for me to continue sports, now they violated every law against me like it always was on the streets, and tried to kill me again several times, and i also broke later allready my hand which was also mistreated, i just do not want to talk to them anymore, it's not that our
<verlda> countries medicine side is weak or surgeons can not do stuff, it was deliberate god playing, someone corrupted something which i do not know about, someone powerful placed an order there, cause neither criminal record, or suicidal past i ever had, now with those meds things took a little more time to me, but i got what i wanted, since most people who were on the enemies side allready accounted with my lifestyle, that i am dead soon, but instead i covered
<verlda> all the worlds hardware i.e any gpu, any accelerator and any cpu and all that very consistentnly, and i can write any language as well at higher level or lower level whatever, so with major effort and complications i still landed where i should be, i also developed many of the addons which are sensational etc. for low-power, performance and memory storage increasing. it was lot tougher than expected due to complications they built to me though, do you have
<verlda> any question bout gpus like SIMD or vliws or any specific model you want info about or what? Stop parroting , instead ask a question, i will respond to that live.
<dzwdz> welcome back \o
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<verlda> Also with current employees i no longer pm chat talk with, cause i have much better stacks than what they give out to linux users, 3d api wise i have everything available any translation dx12 , dx11 linux natives , metal, webgpu, opengl cause world has many programmers also like me.
<ZetItUp> so...
<ZetItUp> Mutabah klange etc
* Mutabah is away (Sleep)
<verlda> Someone talked about javascript, electron that of google the engine is not bad either, it has asar archives
<verlda> and a jit engine, similar to java from the past and nowdays
<verlda> this can even be made to work tremendously good with small patches as any other or most languages
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<verlda> now i go back to sleep, and no longer ruin your mood here on the channel, cause i have nothing much to add.
<verlda> if no questions, than i am free to do my own things.
<verlda> good bye.
<dzwdz> cya
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