03:58 <melondo> as i said all that is either one bit, or constant in verilog code, can not be coerced or cmosed respectively, cause it would not make sense, on the wires such control circuitry has onlly one polarity hence, on the interconnect they use such as pass on transistors, and elsewhere they attach to buses next to the return line to control the opening and closing of the bus of course, this is shared bus architecture thing really, and it is known this is vulnerable to

03:58 <melondo> attacks.

04:01 <melondo> i did what i had to do when you started to trash me, cause i had to defend my reputation which people try to ruin consistentnly, it's not a crime to defend yourself, and authorities also do not consider according to laws to be one either.

04:04 <melondo> yes, i have pretty catchy brain as it turned out now, i am myself in a protected environment atm. cause this was not suppose to leak that fact, cause it causes many troubles and fights in my life, luckily the battles so far i managed to win though

04:04 <Mutabah> Aah, long time no see - I'd say "welcome to libera" but your form of rambling isn't welcome.

05:26 <Izem> ok so it's a dumb question but why have a process use both a stack and a heap? I assume that is just an artifact of how programs are compilied?

05:27 <zid> different storage durations

05:28 <zid> stack can't be used for permanent allocations unless you do them in main, and who wants to pass massively oversized arrays for all the memory a program *might* use, down from main to every single leaf function

05:29 <moon-child> the stack is fast, temporary storage. The 'heap' is more flexible; most usage of it is slower

05:29 <Izem> good point

05:29 <moon-child> also the cpu has specialized instructions to use the stack for tracking function calls

05:30 <Izem> in theory you could have a program with an empty stack?

05:30 <moon-child> sure

05:30 <Izem> interesting

05:31 <zid> you could implement your own using your heap trivially

05:31 <kingoffrance> https://github.com/wt/coreboot/blob/master/util/romcc/romcc.1 romcc is a C compiler which produces binaries which do not rely on RAM, but instead only use CPU registers.

05:31 <bslsk05> ​github.com: coreboot/romcc.1 at master · wt/coreboot · GitHub

05:32 <kingoffrance> " just an artifact of how programs are compilied" so yes :)

05:32 <moon-child> _c_ compiler?

05:32 <zid> or if you're incredibly hard up, use your registers as a mini stack

05:32 <moon-child> how many automatic variables do you get? :P

05:32 <moon-child> zid: pls no st(0)

05:32 <moon-child> death to x87

05:32 <kingoffrance> i dunno :) quote It is prominently used in the coreboot project to compile C code which needs to run before the firmware has initialized the RAM

05:32 <zid> moon-child: only way to do nested function calls before dram and cache are enabled in bios :P

05:32 <zid> use all your regs as link registers

05:33 <moon-child> zid: just do like basic, have only one 'subroutine'

05:33 <moon-child> one level of subroutine

05:33 <zid> hmm is a stack of one thing still a stack, or is it more of a... post-it note

05:33 <kingoffrance> i mean, you get enough to initialize ram i guess :)

05:58 <Mutabah> Hmm... I thought that ?most cores start up with the cache effectively acting as RAM

05:58 <zid> not until you enable cache

05:59 <Mutabah> Ah

10:31 <fedorafan> morning

10:32 <zid> again? we just had one

10:32 <klange> Doc says one a day until forever, if you want to live to see it.

10:34 <zid> I have an apple, I thought that'd keep me safe

10:37 <Affliction> It just repels doctors

10:39 <klange> That's been misinterpreted over the centuries. Continuous fruit consumption prevents alien invasions and space-time incursions - an apple a day keeps The Doctor away.

10:50 <Santurysim> Hehe

10:53 <sham1> Well The Doctor could probably degenerate as a doctor as well

10:53 <sham1> regenerate*

11:42 <fedorafan> businessmen

11:42 <fedorafan> fuck on your health :D

11:42 <fedorafan> and how you are guy

11:42 <fedorafan> s

14:11 <nur> https://i.ibb.co/92F3BxM/physical-addresses.png question about paging - are these supposed to be physical addresses (assuming a non-recursive page table structure) -> https://i.ibb.co/92F3BxM/physical-addresses.png

14:11 <nur> whoops I pasted the link twice

14:37 <Mutabah> yes to all

14:37 <Mutabah> what else would they be?

14:38 <nur> just checking :)

14:38 <nur> thanks

14:45 <gog> mew

14:47 <GeDaMo> https://v.redd.it/yps19epcihh71/DASH_480.mp4

14:47 <bslsk05> ​'yps19epcihh71' by [idk] (--:--:--)

14:51 <gog> morning express

17:50 <sham1> Good evening to all on this wonderful Sunday

18:15 <gog> howdy