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<gbruno> [github] kintel pushed 1 modifications 1 removals (macOS package upgrade: gmp 6.2.1, libffi 3.4.2, poppler 21.10.0, qt5 5.15.2, qscintilla 2.13.1). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/bfae72193b9b0275e609943043adde1bd4974d25
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<Jack21> seems there is an issue with 3mf export just had the file open when overwriting (export) and got Datei"E:/Seg.3mf" konnte nicht zum Export geöffnet werden
<Jack21> 3MF export finished: E:/Seg.3mf BUT IT WASN'T
<Jack21> So it detects it can't write but say "export finished" yeah sure finished with trying - Ü
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<gbruno> [github] UBaer21 opened issue #3963 (3mf export "finished" when file can't be opened). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3963
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<invultri> Hi there, just made my first polyhedron, but it seems that openscad throws a bit of a fit when I try to do a difference on it. Is that expected / a limitation?
<teepee> select thrown-together mode and make sure there's no pinkish colored faces
<teepee> those have the points in wrong winding order
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<invultri> thrown together kinda shows nothing
<invultri> ah it did not like the empty difference around it
<invultri> and some purple did show up, so that is good
<invultri> and reversing order on one of the faces fixed it, thanks
<invultri> does polyhedron mind if there are duplicate points in a face?
<Jack21> points are not the issue - faces may
<Jack21> but you can have connecting faces all using the same point or each using an own connection point as long the point value is equal
<invultri> ok cool, in that case it might be not that hard to do a chamfer in 3d (smaller face would otherwise have one point less than the bigger one)
<Jack21> just need to be closed so all faces need to be connected (watertight)
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<invultri> any tips on getting a drawing to dwg? seems that I will have to make several projections manually or something. Cause it seems to be an exercise of trying to make a projection from 3d to 2d.
<InPhase> invultri: Note that duplicate points are risky if you calculate those points.
<InPhase> invultri: It is easy to calculate points that are mathematically the same but not computationally the same, and then you can end up with a non-manifold polyhedron.
<InPhase> It will even work some of time because of the sketchy grid snapping that goes on, but grid snapping can also induce a bigger failure by the same process.
<invultri> InPhase: it would be the exact same point as it would be array padding only https://gist.github.com/christianvdstap/e1027851027ab13391331fdc8de1e454
<InPhase> invultri: Also, allegedly dxf is the non-proprietary format that should typically be used instead of dwg. Although I do not personally work with either.
<InPhase> invultri: I see you are using the master branch / nightly. :) You have a stray comma in line 44 that only works in current source versions.
<invultri> InPhase: fair, but that is not was asked by the company making the L shape concrete prefabs :) (If I could get it in dxf there are plenty of converters judging by google). Main thing still stands, how to make projections.
<invultri> heh I did not even noticed that
<InPhase> Well there's the projection() built-in
<invultri> yes that is the thing to go to, but that can only do 1 plain
<InPhase> Well there's a cut parameter if you need slices.
<invultri> and then different colors on them or something?
<InPhase> But default it shadow-projets.
<InPhase> shadow-projects
<InPhase> Well I don't know what you're aiming for with these projections.
<InPhase> Also... concrete? This does not look like a viable concrete shape.
<InPhase> Plastic under low load, or metal, sure.
<invultri> those things are 2m50cm tall
<InPhase> What are they for?
<invultri> retaining wall
<InPhase> Well you have a 2cm wide fracture point along there on a very long piece.
<invultri> for reference: https://imgur.com/a/NpfsDZ8
<InPhase> The leverage on that long piece and the width of that fracture point seem like a fragility.
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<invultri> that is a notch apparently, it is in the drawings of that company
<InPhase> Nice schematic of the wall, by the way. But where does the L piece go in it?
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<InPhase> I see its cross-ection is the same shape as the wall, but don't see where one would stick such a thing.
<InPhase> cross-section
<invultri> stick what thing? So it is a L prefab because the side profile is shaped as an L
<invultri> https://imgur.com/tRbIzVH this would be more or less the situation when it is backfilled
<invultri> https://www.boschbeton.nl/producten/l/?type=l250 I mean a mere 5 tons give or take a few 100
<InPhase> Oh, so the width rendered in the scad file is not the final concrete product width then?
<invultri> nice, their PDF does not match the website ...
<invultri> well yes it is, maybe you are assuming mm in the source?
<invultri> cause it is in cm
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<InPhase> OOoooh. I see the problem. :)
<InPhase> You never shared the part that actually calls l_prefab_bosh_beton_250...
<InPhase> So to display it I tossed in a random l_prefab_bosh_beton_250(5);
<InPhase> But I forgot I did that. It was a quick random value typing right after I did the paste.
<InPhase> So I've been staring at this super narrow item.
<InPhase> And it was labeled h so it never mapped in my head that it would be the width of the piece I was setting.
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<InPhase> And of course at 5cm wide it will snap like a concrete twig under ground forces.
<invultri> err yeah, that would be silly af
<invultri> no these come in 4m standard "You do not want this on your foot" units
<InPhase> Yeah, makes total sense at the large scale. :)
<InPhase> Although a bit more of a 45 degree angle at the inset portion would make it stronger.
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<Jack> only 3cm at the rim
<InPhase> Jack: Yeah. I worked a bit with concrete, and found it can be surprisingly fragile when thin due to the brittleness, made worse when you add in some leverage. But then it rapidly strengthens with thickness and a good design structure to compensate for the leverage effects, especially when you can turn all load forces into compressive ones.
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<Jack> i assume the thin structure only works because of cables adding compression and counteract any tensile stress
<InPhase> Concrete blocks as an example become a bit hazardous when put sideways instead of with vertical holes. You can still put a reasonable load on top of them with that circular structure, but not any sudden forces nor construction scale loads.
<Jack> but nice to see that oscad is used for building concrete structures
<InPhase> It would be fun to have one of those concrete printers.
<Jack> use a clay printer and fill with concrete - Ü
<InPhase> Print clay and then build a bonfire around the building to bake it?
<InPhase> I guess you'd probably burn more wood than it would take to build a wooden house. :)
<Jack> would be interesting if that weight didn't deform when "sintering"
<othx> Jack linked to YouTube video "Printing a concrete house with a 3D printer | Mense Korte Architekten - PERI 3D Construction" => 1 IRC mentions
<InPhase> I've seen a dozen or so such videos.
<InPhase> Oh, the edge-guides on that one are nice though.
<InPhase> Most of them leave layer bulges.
<InPhase> For a visible wall those edge guides make a nicer finish.
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<Jack> let see what future will bring for space (MARSHA) or https://www.aispacefactory.com/tera
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<Jack> i like the idea of using moon regolith and melt it with a laser
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<InPhase> I always find it questionable when people promise long lifetime materials that can be composted.
<InPhase> Both are nice goals, but they tend to not be really compatible.
<Jack> I had some BDP (bio degradable polymer) for printing -- put them into soil over 5years ago - last time i checked nothing changed so far
<Jack> most of these "can" be composted means only in special plants
<Jack> InPhase: do yo think it would be difficult to get the color of an volume or object into the 3mf export?
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<invultri> wood can last longer than concrete.... I mean, concrete does not like salt etc and once it loses PH it is a quick slide downhill
<invultri> also brain now hurts for dxf exports and such
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<Jack21> invultri did your dxf export works?
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<invultri> Jack21: not really, looks like I need to do projections, but that is not giving a realy good 2d drawing
<Jack21> what is wrong with the quality? - using svg probably doesn't change this and i get nice results.
<Jack21> alternative you can create a polygon as you already have the points - and using offset you can define the line
<invultri> yes, of course I can draw it manually
<Jack21> what are you missing in the result from the projection ?
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<invultri> normally you do not have a single slice but also the other visible lines, so basically I need to recreate them by hand
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<JakeSays> anyone here ever worked with brl cad?
<teepee> talking to people, compiling it, having a look, yes. really working with it, no
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