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<arno11> Wizzup: hi, can you confirm that appmenu-gtk2-module is not installed by default in Leste ?
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<arno11> well, seems not, and this module improves qt5 launch time
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<arno11> with this module (and trackers OFF and stock freqs), conversations starts in around 4 sec on n900 (instead of 15-20 sec OOTB)
<Wizzup> what is appmenu from?
<arno11> devuan leste repo
<Wizzup> interesting, wonder what this does to make it faster
<arno11> it seems affecting other distro too
<arno11> seems a known qt5/gtk bug
<Wizzup> do you have a link to the known bug?
<Wizzup> also great find
<arno11> thx, let me have a look for links
<sicelo> btw, last downloadable d4 image is from around 2-3 weeks ago. we're having storage issues again? (didn't check N900)
<Wizzup> fwiw you can check here https://phoenix.maemo.org/view/Images/
<Wizzup> dd: error writing '/home/jenkins/workspace/leste-image-droid4/arm-sdk/tmp/devuan-armhf-build/maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-droid4-20240407.img': No space left on device
<Wizzup> looks like it
<sicelo> there'll hopefully be L5 images to build as well, soon :p
<Wizzup> sweet
<sicelo> freemangordon: the ongoing qmimodem work in ofono ... how does that fit in with work you've been doing wrt. d4 modem?
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<tmlind> freemangordon: yeah did you have any luck with just qmi? :)
<Wizzup> after clicking around
<Wizzup> still no actual explanation
<Wizzup> but definitely looks like it works for others
<arno11> yep
<Wizzup> I wonder if it's something in env or not
<Wizzup> nothing looks different I suppose?
<Wizzup> the app menus still work?
<Wizzup> like the menu in the app title
<arno11> yes with no troubles
<arno11> yep no diff
<Wizzup> ok
<arno11> yes i think it is related to env
<Wizzup> not just the shared object?
<arno11> (i can't find anymore the most useful links)
<Wizzup> maybe setting QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME explicitly helps somehow
<Wizzup> but we do set the style override
<Wizzup> worth a shot
<Wizzup> QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 I mean
<arno11> i tried but no diff
<Wizzup> ok
<arno11> in fact i tried to modify several env with no result
<freemangordon> tmlind: sicelo: qmi works with d4, though I didn't test voice. However, USB wakeup doe not seem sto work
<freemangordon> right now I suspended work on ofono, I want to finish connui-cellular first
<freemangordon> hopefully in a week or so it'll hit -devel
<Wizzup> sweet :)
<sicelo> cool
<arno11> cool, sweet, great
<dsc_> nice
<sicelo> the other day i looked at my N900's battery display, and noticed that there's definitely space to display a 2nd battery and its parameters (if you remove the word "Battery")
* sicelo hides
<sicelo> no, not saying we should do it
<bencoh> :]
<tmlind> freemangordon: ok great, so are you using /dev/ttyUSB5 now for wakeups?
<sicelo> tmlind: still using sway on your D4?
<freemangordon> I didn't try
<freemangordon> will do when I get back to ofono
<tmlind> ok
<tmlind> sicelo: yeah sway and scripts.. hoping to move to ofono
<sicelo> i wondered if we changed SW_KEYPAD_SLIDE in dts to SW_TABLET_MODE ... i think sway has built in support for that switch
<sicelo> while nothing (besides Leste) appears to care about KEYPAD_SLIDE
<tmlind> oh ok, not sure if we can really touch the dts mappings for keys.. but it's easy to map using hwdb
<sicelo> true
<Wizzup> arno11: so let's see, we can either just install the package or try to figure out what it actually does that makes it faster
<Wizzup> I'm fine with either at this point imo
<Wizzup> we can just have our qt pkg depend on it
<Wizzup> arno11: I tried it and it doesn't really make a difference for me
<Wizzup> did you restart after installing the package
<Wizzup> keep in mind that conversations will just tell the running conversations to show the window if it's already running
<Wizzup> so this would make it 4s instead of say 15s
<Wizzup> btw, I'm attachign strace to one of the tracker processes and it doesn't seem to do anything other than idle
<Wizzup> tracker-miner-fs this is
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<arno11> yes you need to reboot
<arno11> and you need to disable trackers after reboot, otherwise it will be very slow
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<freemangordon> arno11: what Wizzup said is that tracker does *nothing* while qt applications start
<arno11> i know that
<arno11> i don't know what's happening
<freemangordon> well, there is no reason then for tracker to affect anything, it is just an idle process
<arno11> so i recommend you to try on your device
<arno11> and see
<freemangordon> will do
<Wizzup> I only straced one program
<arno11> the problem is with the 3 progs
<freemangordon> Wizzup: please check the others
<freemangordon> arno11: 3?
<freemangordon> tracker-extract should run on demand only
<Wizzup> there are no others on my n900
<freemangordon> what are those 3?
<arno11> miner, store and extract
<freemangordon> extract runs all the time on your device?
<arno11> yes: if you start conversations ui after boot, wait one min
<arno11> then tracker miner start, then extract and store
<freemangordon> arno11: first conversations start after reboot takes more time
<arno11> then that's the moment to stop them
<arno11> fmg: yes oc
<arno11> *ofc
<freemangordon> arno11: ok, I will try , not today though
<arno11> ok no rush
<arno11> one more thing: light transitions are needed
<arno11> otherwise, no surprise if the device is still slow
<arno11> transitions + appmenu + trackers OFF make the diff
<arno11> bbl
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<arno11> Wizzup: looking to logs, my explainations are unclear as usual
<arno11> most of the time, trackers are 'idle'
<arno11> so that's not so easy to trace whatis going on
<arno11> when you start a qt5 app, tracker miner usually start and use 100 cpu
<arno11> then extract and store (for few sec)
<arno11> enough to increase launch time a lot
<arno11> and then, idling again
<arno11> if you don't start a qt app and wait at least 30 sec, impossible to pgrep or stop them
<arno11> once stopped, apps are a bit faster to start and more if you install appmenu (need reboot)
<arno11> the last thing is transitions
<arno11> with light ones, conversations (after the first launch) starts really faster, usually between 3-6 sec, depending of cache
<arno11> most of the time 4 sec, 2 sec with boost @805
<arno11> swappiness and page-cluster have a (small) impact as well
<arno11> i just tried again: 4 sec to launch conversations ui
<arno11> so, again, that's a combination of things, but gnome tracker and qt5 style/menu issues are quite common apparently, according to other distro forums
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<Wizzup> arno11: ok, sounds good, I didn't look very hard and I definitely believe you :)
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<sicelo> Wizzup: regarding the telepathy changes, any known issues? i'm not expecting 100%, but i've moved one of my 'real' SIMs to the D4
<sicelo> also one more quesiton - btw what is the difference between -testing and -experimental repos
<Wizzup> I am not aware of specific problems unless you try to use sip or xmpp calls
<Wizzup> the last blocker for me is DTFM on my main dutch number
<Wizzup> experimental is just for like, experimental kernel changes or things we might never want, like modificed xorg/mesa etc
<Wizzup> modified
<Wizzup> -devel is things we plan to move to stable, but perhaps fix up a bit first
<sicelo> yes, -testing?
<Wizzup> I think that is something FMG made, I think it might be only there for the extras repos
<Wizzup> checking..
<Wizzup> it looks like we have testing also for core repos
<sicelo> my main blocker on D4 is lack of USSD support .. maybe i should look at it someday. anyway for the number i have moved to D4, USSD is not crucial
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