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<freemangordon> Wizzup: yes, I was able to build it, but I had to patch here and there
<freemangordon> dsc_: BTW, if you are still bored, maybe you may want to look into SGX tearing issue.
<Wizzup> ok re: xorg
<Wizzup> it might be valuable to have it
<freemangordon> yeah
<freemangordon> but iirc it requires newer libwayland (or something) version
<Wizzup> maybe we can just not build the wayland stuff, we don't need it
<freemangordon> yeah
<freemangordon> Xwayland that is
<Wizzup> but maybe if uvos' idea about forcing gles glamor with lima works, we don't need to now
<freemangordon> by forcing libepoxy to resolve to gles?
<dsc_> scrolling is 30fps, pretty good
<dsc_> freemangordon: SGX tearing?
<Wizzup> freemangordon: yes
<dsc_> I do see some tearing right now with my application but not sure if this is what you are refering to
<dsc_> i might be on an older kernel
<dsc_> was planning to spend the day looking at hamsterfiler, fixing SGX sounds scary, I only operate in userspace :P!
* Wizzup bbiab 45 mins or so
<freemangordon> dsc_: ah ok (only userspace)
<dsc_> only been using linux since a few months, I came from Flash development, barely know what a computer is - ill stick to user interfaces :PpPpP
<freemangordon> ok, ok, got it :)
<dsc_> xD
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<Wizzup> uvos: freemangordon: heads up, I think the kernel in -experimental doesn't boot atm, investigating
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<Wizzup> ok it was related to thumb2 I think
<Wizzup> that's silly
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<buZz> hehe, maybe soc only has thumb1 ?
<bencoh> err, which SoC?
<bencoh> thumb2 has been supported for ... ages :)
<bencoh> (well, apart from erratas here and there)
<buZz> hehe
<Wizzup> droid4/droid3
<Wizzup> not sure what's up, but going to revert since I just want a kernel that works for everything :)
<buZz> :)
<buZz> i'm still sad that the docks dreamer found didnt exist :(
<buZz> they are so rare to find on ebay without insane shipping :P
<buZz> 5 usd dock , 30 usd shipping , ffs
<buZz> :D
<Wizzup> I wish the lapdock that I bought worked ;)
<buZz> hmhm
<buZz> my own lapdock needs a ton of work to get the keyboard to work without 10kg of pressure on the keys
<buZz> :D
<Wizzup> I could be that the power supply that I got with it is broken
<buZz> afaik its just 12v DC?
<Wizzup> could be, didn't investigate too much
<dsc_> i ported hamsterfiler from qt4 to qt5
<dsc_> replaced qmake with cmake
<Wizzup> cool!
<Wizzup> maybe you can add it to extras https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras
<dsc_> oki
<dsc_> Wizzup: do you know if `hildon_mime_open_file(...);` is currently working? i.e: I try to open .txt but perhaps no mime handler yet
<dsc_> it uses dbus for that
<dsc_> any file extensions you know of that work in terms of mime handlers?
<dsc_> thumbnail generation seems to work :) https://i.imgur.com/B8c38fc.png
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<Wizzup> dsc_: no, is there a handler for it
<Wizzup> uvos: do you have that glamor patch?
<dsc_> Wizzup: Do you know of a file extension that *does* have a mime handler?
<dsc_> for example I have Dorian installed, but clicking on `.pdf` files does not yield dorian
<dsc_> just making sure it is not hamsterfiler's fault
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<Wizzup> dsc_: pdf
<Wizzup> should launch the pdf viewer
<Wizzup> but I have not done much with mime
<Wizzup> maybe ask freemangordon or uvos
<uvos> Wizzup: cant look right now
<uvos> Wizzup: dsc_: any and all maemo applications have broken mimes
<uvos> install some desktop application
<uvos> those work
<uvos> so iirc on freemantle hildon-mime had a global mime database that it held iself and was only extensable via its own custom apis
<uvos> while the xdg-mime system just uses the mime entries in .desktop files to generate a database
<uvos> as hildon-mime is non functional anything that uses it is broken atm
<dsc_> ok
<uvos> also we probubly want to rid ourselves of this so that desktop applications can launch maemo ones and vice versa
<uvos> hildon mime shal then be just a compatibily wrapper that uses the xdg stuff behind the scenes
<dsc_> right
<uvos> but yes this is totaly broken atm
<dsc_> so hamsterfiler uses this hildon-mime thing with dbus
<dsc_> like you said
<dsc_> I can port that to xdg
<uvos> maybe just port to xdg
<uvos> yeah
<Wizzup> let's check with fmg
<dsc_> but uhh
<Wizzup> not just remove it
<dsc_> for example where is `xdg-open` ? :P
<dsc_> or `xdg-mime`
<uvos> freemangordon is usualy against changing anything api related - but please do add xdg support at least as an ifdef
<uvos> that way hamsterfiler could be used on phosh etc too
<dsc_> nvm, I think I can just use Qt5's QMimeDatabase
<uvos> right that also wraps xdg
<dsc_> ok :)
<uvos> btw since we where launching the pdf viewer above
<uvos> this is even more broken
<uvos> since the pdf viewer dosent allow one to open a pdf via its commandline at all
<uvos> you have to use the pdf viewers persistant dbus interface
<uvos> meaning the pdf viewer is impossible to use in a proper mime
<uvos> you can only use the pdf viewer to open a file by implenting its own custom interface
<Wizzup> or it will just handle mime properly later on
<uvos> hildon-mime dose this (and for lots of other applications too)
<Wizzup> when it's ported to newer xpdf
<Wizzup> I don't see the point of porting a hildon capable file manager and then stripping out the hildon parts :P
<Wizzup> but maybe the mime stuff is super trivial, idk
<dsc_> uvos: previously ive solved this by having applications opening an unix socket and when a 2nd instance is spawned it can detect it is already running (and communicate a "file open" to the 1st instance)
<dsc_> dbus probably the better way to do that yeah
<dsc_> albeit dbus not available on windows, so using unix sockets in Qt5 is nice, because on Windows it uses named pipes
<dsc_> which keeps the application crossplatform
<Wizzup> hildon has some of this solved already
<Wizzup> probably that's why it has this mime stuff
<Wizzup> we just need to make that work
<dsc_> ill hold on porting to xdg for now
<Wizzup> yeah, better to make sure the hildon mime stuff works as well
<dsc_> unsure why hildon had to reinvent that wheel though
<uvos> they reinvented most wheels
<Wizzup> they invented them before it became a standard* ;-)
<uvos> not in this case
<uvos> anyhow
<uvos> i just rememberd something
<uvos> so hildon mime has these categorys xdg dosent have
<uvos> and i seam to remember fmg implementing a heuristic to pars xdg mimes into the database
<uvos> so acutally the hildon-mime xdg interop might be there allready
<uvos> maybe try installin the thing
<mighty17[m]> uvos: btw omapconf doesnt compile on android
<uvos> or rather xdg has other categories
<uvos> it has the same kind of categories but they are semanticly different
<uvos> mighty17[m]: yes it dose :P
<uvos> also not sure why you would want it on android
<uvos> it works
<uvos> but is mostly non functional because of missing defconfig flags
<uvos> unless you go and compile your own debuging android kernel ofc
<mighty17[m]> uvos: comparing registers
<uvos> use rwmem
<mighty17[m]> ah right
<uvos> omapconf is way overkill
<mighty17[m]> even rwmem does not
<uvos> both of these compile fine for me
<mighty17[m]> lemme try a clean build
<mighty17[m]> my bad, uvos, it builds now, thanks!
<mighty17[m]> time to check TIMER10's location
<lel> sanderfoobar opened an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/26 ([REQ] HamsterFiler)
<lel> parazyd created a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/hamsterfiler
<lel> parazyd closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/26 ([REQ] HamsterFiler)
<lel> parazyd created a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/oricutron
<lel> parazyd closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/24 ([REQ] oricutron)
<lel> parazyd created a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/lagrange
<lel> parazyd closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/23 ([REQ] lagrange)
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<lel> sanderfoobar opened an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/hamsterfiler/issues/1 ((possibly) port to XDG)
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<Wizzup> uvos: btw my droid3 upower reports like 400mAh for the battery, even with a new polarcell, I guess I need to check out the calibration?
<Wizzup> freemangordon: uvos: ok kernel in -experimental should be OK again
<uvos> Wizzup: what dose it report for current_now?
<uvos> or avg
<uvos> is that sane?
<Wizzup> the pm script reports sane things I think
<Wizzup> let me check
<Wizzup> d=2021-12-09|t=16:13:20|i=OFF:0,RET:4766|p=149|c=NA|b=none
<Wizzup> looks sane to me
<uvos> check if data_get_avg_curr_ua is different in solana kernel maybe
<uvos> sometimes the callibration also gos haywire and reports low way to early
<Wizzup> this is a bionic sd card that I transferred
<Wizzup> so maybe I should nuke any calibration data
<uvos> no
<uvos> that cant cause it
<uvos> charge the device take a note of charge_counter
<uvos> discarge it untill the battery voltage is 3.5 v or so
<uvos> the diff charge_counter should be the capacity -15% or so
<uvos> if that checks out and current is correct and you cant find a difference in above funciton
<uvos> i dont see how it could be wrong and the battery is just bad
<Wizzup> it's a brand new polarcell
<Wizzup> and it lasts over a day on it using about 150mW
<Wizzup> so I don't think it can be only 400mAh
<uvos> dmesg | grep cpcap_battery cpcap_battery.0: calibration done:?
<uvos> maybe also check 0x0a1c with cpcaprw in android
<uvos> should be about the same value as in dmesg
<uvos> but really
<uvos> i dont see how this could be different on d3, iirc the columb counter procedure is in the common cpcap code thats used on all devices
<Wizzup> [ 11.060516] cpcap_battery cpcap_battery.0: Coulomb counter calibration done
<Wizzup> [ 11.368774] cpcap_battery cpcap_battery.0: calibration done: 0x0000
<uvos> ok
<uvos> yeah that cant be right
<uvos> hmm
<Wizzup> it's not a big deal atm
<Wizzup> just something I noticed
<uvos> maybe check the value in android
<uvos> speculating here, motorola dosent appear to use the counter at all - they use a mutch more complex setup where they have discarge curves for eatch battery
<uvos> maybe this is because on early cpcap revisions the counter was broken
<bencoh> many fuelgauge don't rely on the coulomb counter only - some don't use it at all, even in modern implementations
<uvos> ok
<uvos> maybe they just dident feal like using it what do i know
<bencoh> (in my opinion it's kinda broken, but for some of their parts, Samsung insists on saying they rely on voltage only)
<bencoh> -s
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<Wizzup> so 5.8 does still hit off but it hangs very quickly when panel is probed
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<Wizzup> same for 5.8.y (stable), it's not particularly useful for debugging where the off mode regression happened between 5.7 and 5.9
<Wizzup> ok, with a specific method I can still hit ~42mW (same as 5.7)
<sicelo> this is without any modules load? (42mW)
<Wizzup> yes
<Wizzup> so whatever caused off mode to never be hit was introduced between 5.8 and 5.9 I think
<sicelo> you couldn't hit OFF with anything >5.9 ?
<Wizzup> right, not without changing parts of the kernel
<Wizzup> I am going to try 5.9.y again just to verify
<Wizzup> I am keeping a log here mostly https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/545
<Wizzup> probably best to start at bottom and read up
<Wizzup> I could really use some help if you have spare cycles btw
<sicelo> not yet :-(
<sicelo> in a week or two i might finally begin to have some time
<Wizzup> in any case the off mode idling is not stable in 5.8 (seems serial related)
<Wizzup> but that is a separate problem
<Wizzup> tmlind: right so I can confirm the OFF mode no longer being hit is introduced between 5.8 and 5.9
<uvos> since off mode not being hit on 5.9+ is simply because sched is to buisy to find the time, maybe whatever is increasing the events also caused the slight power increase d4 has seen since about 5.8 too
<Wizzup> could be, let's see if I can find it
<Wizzup> there's a bunch of clock rework in git log v5.8..v5.9
<Wizzup> or rather I looked at git log v5.8..v5.9 arch/arm/mach-omap*
<uvos> that might not be wide enough something could have very well changed in the scheduler
<Wizzup> I will do a bisect, so that won't matter
<uvos> oh i thought you ment you only want to biscect arch/arm/match-omap
<Wizzup> nah just looking at the log
<uvos> thats an option
<uvos> ok
<Wizzup> unfortunately on plain v5.9 my idle script doesn't work
<Wizzup> the one that just reads the pm data
<Wizzup> (from debugfs)
<Wizzup> it just hangs
<Wizzup> :(
<uvos> just read the ret/off count by hand then
<Wizzup> I bet that will hang too
<Wizzup> but let's see
<Wizzup> interesting, that works
<Wizzup> grep ^core_pwrdm /sys/kernel/debug/pm_debug/count | cut -d',' -f2,3
<Wizzup> another thing that was nice with 5.8: it stayed in OFF/RET much longer
<Wizzup> so the numbers are lower, but also the power usage was lower
<Wizzup> RET increases much faster on v5.9
<Wizzup> I hope I won't have to come up with fixes for stuff, and rather just point out where it goes wrong :(
<Wizzup> uvos: do you know if there are plans to make kernel idle again while having kernel console not detached?
<Wizzup> I thought it was a temporary thing (i.e. while serial is being reworked)
<Wizzup> not having kernel console while testing idle stuff is awkward
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<Wizzup> wow this one commit I was at before in the bisect (g47ec5303d73e) idles extremely well
<Wizzup> it basically never leaves the OFF state until I interact with it
<uvos> Wizzup: no idea
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<Wizzup> btw I reported 42mW but really it's 28mW or so
<Wizzup> (there's the serial device using power)
<uvos> dont worry you report all kinds of contradictory numbers :P
<Wizzup> that's life
<uvos> yeah :)
<Wizzup> :p
<Wizzup> did you the conversations with your sphone rtcom logger btw?
<Wizzup> I wonder if it even picks it up
<uvos> no
<Wizzup> ok
<uvos> sphone for sure dosent pick up any that converations creates
<uvos> (it explicitly filters for just its own)
<Wizzup> conversations doesn't add anything atm
<uvos> ok
<Wizzup> it just is a frontend to el-v1.db
<uvos> ok yeah i havent looked at any of this stuff
<Wizzup> ok
<Wizzup> it's in -devel so it could be just ~3 mins of work
<Wizzup> I'd appreciate it if check if it picks up on the sphone stuff
<Wizzup> if you can check*
<uvos> ok
<uvos> yeah i can ofc
<uvos> it dose indeed pick something up
<uvos> but only one conversation thread (this one is compleat) that i created with sphone-commtest
<uvos> the ones that are real ones that i have from ofono are missing
<uvos> creating another one in comtest also works
<uvos> wierd
<uvos> all sphone events get saved by the same module ofc store-rtcom
<Wizzup> hm
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<Wizzup> uvos: here's a question...
<Wizzup> I am doing a git bisect and on one commit it's *hardly* ever hitting off mode, but it hit it once
<Wizzup> but way less than before
<Wizzup> I guess I'd mark that as bad, yeah?
<uvos> yeah off mode is not broken the kernel is just to busy
<uvos> so you would expect it to hit it occasionally
<uvos> over long time scales
<Wizzup> yeah so marking it as bad sounds fine
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<uvos> Wizzup: dsc_: the problem with conversations is it picks up event type 6 only
<uvos> Wizzup: dsc_: event_type 13 goes unoticed
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<uvos> 6 is message 13 is sms
<Wizzup> ah, what is 13, chat?
<uvos> 13 is sms
<uvos> 6 is chat message
<Wizzup> ah
<Wizzup> that's weird -- I see all my SMSes from my n900
<uvos> maybe i made a mistake sec
<Wizzup> it uses rtcom, maybe rtcom filters based on service registered ids or something
<uvos> or they dont use the sms prop
<uvos> i dont know why its needed
* Wizzup hopes the off mode regression really is not something too hard
<Wizzup> it idles really nicely...
<uvos> yeah sphone uses RTCOM_EL_SERVICE_SMS for ofono
<uvos> this resolves to id 13
<Wizzup> # grep ^core_pwrdm /sys/kernel/debug/pm_debug/count | cut -d',' -f2,
<Wizzup> OFF:1,RET:507
<Wizzup> heh
<Wizzup> I'll count that as bad
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<Wizzup> Bisecting: 1 revision left to test after this (roughly 1 step)
<dreamer> hah. fingers crossed :)
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<Wizzup> uvos: tmlind:
<Wizzup> $ git bisect bad
<Wizzup> commit facdaa917c4d5a376d09d25865f5a863f906234a
<Wizzup> Author: Nitin Gupta <nigupta@nvidia.com>
<Wizzup> facdaa917c4d5a376d09d25865f5a863f906234a is the first bad commit
<Wizzup> Date: Tue Aug 11 18:31:00 2020 -0700
<Wizzup> mm: proactive compaction
<Wizzup> ^^ this causes off mode to never be hit
<Wizzup> (or almost never)
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<uvos> yeah
<uvos> that makes sense
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<uvos> we should just turn memory compaction off
<uvos> To periodically check per-node score, we reuse per-node kcompactd threads,
<uvos> which are woken up every 500 milliseconds to check the same.
<uvos> this makes me think we should maybe look at the tuneing parameters forlinux kernels that are used on modern android phones
<uvos> ExecStart=/bin/sh -c 'echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag'
<uvos> heh i accutally do that on my laptop :P
<uvos> (systemd serivce)
<Wizzup> I tried the sysctl and it didn't work
<Wizzup> setting it to 0
<Wizzup> disabling the CONFIG_COMPATION now
<Wizzup> (on top of 5.15)
<Wizzup> if this works I'll be very happy :)
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<Wizzup> uvos: looks like that alone is not enough on 5.15
<uvos> hmm
<Wizzup> I meant it idles better
<Wizzup> but it doesn't hit OFF mode
<Wizzup> but other things probably changed since v5.9
<uvos> dose it hit off on 5.9 with it removed?
<uvos> there must be a btter way to debug kernel timers
<Wizzup> you mean config right, not commit reverted?
<uvos> echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag
<uvos> just that
<uvos> on your bisect end
<Wizzup> bash: /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag: No such file or directory
<Wizzup> uvos: looking at the commit, it always does the wakeup, no?
<uvos> i dont think it should get there at all with defrag disabled
* Wizzup going revert commit regardless
<uvos> but i dident read anything beyond that commit
<uvos> maybe also disable hugepages entirely
<uvos> those are mostly useless on n900
<uvos> what are you gonna do? allocated a 64mb page on n900? :P
<Wizzup> mhm
<Wizzup> well let me see if I reverted this commit correctly first
<Wizzup> if it then works, then we can look at using config
<Wizzup> it hits off only a bit with that commit reverted
<Wizzup> so I guess next steps is to see what else breaks it
<uvos> wee
<uvos> lets best figure out how to trace kernel timers
<Wizzup> root@(none):/root# ./idle.sh
<Wizzup> ST_SDRC,ST_OMAPCTRL
<Wizzup> OFF:1,RET:62
<Wizzup> better than zero right
<uvos> surely there is debug output with what timers are registered
<uvos> and how often they fire
<Wizzup> tmlind: might know, I definitely don't
<Wizzup> iirc he suggested bisecting the problem
<uvos> if linux cant provide that i suggest porting hildon to nt :P
<Wizzup> lol
<Wizzup> I bet that alone might keep it awake or something
<uvos> Im sure the thought keeps at least fmg awake.
<Wizzup> lol
<Wizzup> I think there are probably more power regressions btw
<Wizzup> 5.15 idles at 0.019A vs 0.011A (yes, that is incl. the 0.004A of my serial)
<Wizzup> uhh so 72mW vs 42mW
<Wizzup> some of that is off mode (I suspect 19mW
<Wizzup> )
<Wizzup> but there's another 12mW that went somewhere
<bencoh> :(
<Wizzup> let's hope it's just as bisectable
<Wizzup> first trying v5.9.y with the commit reverted
<bencoh> alright, enabling /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/events/power/cpu_idle/enable is kinda stupid/useless
<Wizzup> yeah so 5.9.y with the commit reverted and the config off looks mostly ok
<Wizzup> will try v5.9 for good measure (5.9.y doesn't idle the panel, but that's solved elsewhere...)
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<Wizzup> yeah plain v5.9 with the commit reverted idles for sure