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<riteo>
midfavila: not really. The biggest one has been Blake3 AFAIK and it has had a couple of small improvements but nothing serious I think
<riteo>
I still have like 3232381 ideas but I got very little time recently as I'll have maturity exams (european last-year-of-highschool final exam) soon
<midfavila>
oh hey congrats
<riteo>
Can't work on anything big at the moment so I just chip away at godot and whatever
<riteo>
thanks
<midfavila>
hopefully it goes well for you
<riteo>
we'll see
<riteo>
I'll definitely pass as I've got like max credits but everybody's pushing for the max (which you only can get with max credits)
<riteo>
basically they sum these points you gather thorought the last three years with the actual exam results
<riteo>
and the score actually matters for jobs and whatnot, weird stuff
<riteo>
btw, did you see the pictures of my dear homeserver?
<midfavila>
nah
<midfavila>
haven't been on much
<midfavila>
been too busy
<midfavila>
going to try and get on more thuogh
<midfavila>
though*
<midfavila>
link?
<riteo>
I pushed them on the null pointer a few days ago, should still be valid
<riteo>
it's my v2 take on the original shoebox server
<riteo>
which was named boscaiolo because it was in a lumberjack-branded shoebox
<midfavila>
very cute
<riteo>
mostly same pieces, with a laptop motherboard and a regulator so that I can use a single power-supply
<riteo>
thanks
<riteo>
the boot disk is an alpine diskless install on a pen-drive, because SATA ports
* midfavila
nod-nods
<midfavila>
i've been using alpine at work lately
<riteo>
how is it for normal usage?
<midfavila>
for what i do it's okay
<midfavila>
i basically just bring up a few servers and then boot straight into emacs
<riteo>
oh nice
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
i'm the IT department at the job so
<riteo>
I know that you're going to scream at me, but did you need flatpak for any proprietary/complex shit
<midfavila>
nah i won't
<midfavila>
i don't care at this point
<midfavila>
but no
<midfavila>
i literally just boot straight into emacs
<riteo>
cool
<riteo>
btw I also installed it on KISS and thanks to it I have steam and I can save like 2 hours of rust compiling for firefox
<riteo>
I can now use annoying software that either didn't want to be normal or that didn't want to be compiled (telegram-desktop, which required a FUCKING DOCKER IMAGE to be built)
<midfavila>
ngl i just run a minimal debian in qemu for things like firefox when i run kiss
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
use emacs as your telegram client
<midfavila>
i do
<midfavila>
:3
<riteo>
wait how
<riteo>
is there a plugin?
<midfavila>
telega
<riteo>
or is it nchat
<riteo>
holy moly it looks crazy
<riteo>
nchat is a bit lacking but this looks like it has everything
<riteo>
hell it has even sixel support?!?!
<midfavila>
i don't have any complaints with it
<midfavila>
been using it daily for the past few weeks
<riteo>
that's crazy, thanks for letting me know about it, I might actually consider it
<midfavila>
ye
<riteo>
why is it an emacs plugin though
<riteo>
it could be a standalone program
<midfavila>
i mean it's both
<midfavila>
telega is the elisp frontend
<midfavila>
telega-server is the C++ backend
<midfavila>
afaik
<midfavila>
just passes data back and forth
<riteo>
oh so there can be other clients
<midfavila>
i can't see why not in theory
<riteo>
amazing
<riteo>
I'll admit the main showstopper is the fact that it's emacs (I don't use it) but very cool nonetheless
<riteo>
btw if you want to get onto something new, did you hear about hundred rabbits^
<midfavila>
yeah i've known about them for a while
<midfavila>
the collapseos mailing list talks about them a lot
<riteo>
oh you're into that too, cool
<riteo>
too bad I can't get on their website for whatever reason
<riteo>
I wonder if the DNS might be giving me a stale IP somehow
<riteo>
not really sure about what else might be going wrong
<riteo>
just to be sure, what IP is it returning you?
<riteo>
WAIT it went
<riteo>
on firefox
<midfavila>
199.84.42.236
<riteo>
yeah that's it
<riteo>
ok now it works on http
<riteo>
there's something real flaky going on though, as I can't ping it either, which is a weird thing to see
<riteo>
I wonder what server they're running this thing on
<midfavila>
inb4 collapseos
<riteo>
lol
<riteo>
also the duskos website is flaky
<riteo>
like, it's very slow too
<riteo>
I wonder if the traceroute triggered something along the way, maybe some dynamic routes?
<midfavila>
dunno, mayhaps
<riteo>
or firefox is just broken as it asked me for http again
<riteo>
ughhhhhhhhhhh oh well I got the pages now, I'll download them just in case lol
<midfavila>
:p
<midfavila>
speaking of ugh-worthy situations
<midfavila>
watching some state-approved canadian media rn
<midfavila>
landlords are "fed up" with the system "putting people in bad situations"
<midfavila>
which is absolutely hilarious
<midfavila>
for the past few years tenants here have had the upper hand and they've kinda been jerking landlords around and the impotent rage is absolutely delicious
<midfavila>
"noooooooooooooo what do you mean the people i want to evict so i can crank the price on my apartment are resisting me the second the state can't beat them on my behalf"
<riteo>
lmao
<midfavila>
literally living rent free
<riteo>
It's a bit like that Pied Piper gag about california laws
<riteo>
only that it's in canada here
<midfavila>
i don't know why or how i'm supposed to feel bad for the trust fund kiddos who abuse and extort tenants when said tenants fuck them back
<midfavila>
like the reason in part nobody can afford houses here is because they're literally just baseball cards now
<midfavila>
there's thousands of units in toronto that are in pristine shape that are just being held
<midfavila>
not rented out, not lived in, not renovated, just... being held
<riteo>
this kind of stuff is extremely annoying
<riteo>
I heard a factoid on how in america there are more unoccupied homes than homeless people or something
<midfavila>
yep
<midfavila>
common situation in many smaller towns and cities in canada too
<midfavila>
more than enough houses for everyone
<midfavila>
the problem is that people only build luxury units because WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MUH PROPERDEE VALUE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
<riteo>
imagine treating _living_ space as a luxury commodity to sell like if it were an iPhone or something
<midfavila>
you can't just build a house out of CONCRETE, this neighbourhood's HoA, comprised exclusively of 70yo+ boomers, has MANDATED that EVERYONE have alternating red-green-yellow DUTCH COLONIAL HOUSES!!!!!!!!!!!
<midfavila>
riteo: imagine not
<midfavila>
what are you some kind of communist
<riteo>
I'm not qualified to talk about politics and stuff like that thorougly enough
<riteo>
I don't think that counts like a communist?
<midfavila>
i'm being silly
<riteo>
oh lol
<midfavila>
there are a lot of people here who scream and rant and rave at you the second you suggest the government do literally anything
<riteo>
that word is definitely overused too
<midfavila>
because as everyone knows, socialism is when the government does stuff
<midfavila>
and the more stuff the government does, the more socialister it is
<riteo>
socialism and communism are different tho
<midfavila>
unless you live in NA
<midfavila>
in which case they mean the exact same thing:
<midfavila>
a largely capitalist economic model with some very minor government services and regulation
<riteo>
at most I might be closer to socialism, whatver that means, but my brother keeps asking me why I'm communist for not liking the idea of owning 13 houses and "investing" on them
<riteo>
lmao
<midfavila>
socialism is just social ownership of the means of production
<midfavila>
in the sense that like, society owns it and regulates it and distributes the fruits of the labour on said means
<riteo>
how is that different from communism though
<riteo>
isn't also communism social ownership of the means of production
<midfavila>
communism is a classless stateless moniless society in which the means of production are free for anyone to use
<riteo>
oh so communism is also more class-oriented
<midfavila>
socialism is "from each according to ability, to each according to contribution", and communism is "from each according to ability, to each according to need"
<midfavila>
capitalism is "from each according to ability, to each according to how necessary you are to continue the existence of capital"
<midfavila>
basically
<midfavila>
= w=
<midfavila>
or so i say, anyway
<riteo>
oh that's a lot clearer, thanks for clearing up
<midfavila>
and i mean depending on how you look at it it's all very class oriented
<midfavila>
socialism just eliminates the capitalist class
<riteo>
neat
<midfavila>
i mean of course it also depends on how you look at things
<midfavila>
idk i don't read books that's for nerds
<riteo>
yeah me neither
<midfavila>
i just scream about how we should throw landlords out of helicopters
<riteo>
indeed
<riteo>
that's my situation too lol, zero political theory, lots of vague mumbling
<riteo>
btw, before I forget, I found out that one of the 100r folks made a talk at strange loop
<midfavila>
nice
<riteo>
want the link?
<riteo>
supposing you didn't see it already
<midfavila>
ngl i probably won't watch it
<riteo>
there's also a blog post based on it
<riteo>
if you're more into that sort of thing
<midfavila>
nah
<midfavila>
i'm kinda just not super interested in it
<riteo>
fair
<midfavila>
lmao watching this newscast still
<midfavila>
>i'm trying to change what a landlord looks like
<midfavila>
>i'm not a corporate suit
<midfavila>
>i'm a progressive leftist
<midfavila>
then why isn't it a housing cooperative???
<riteo>
because this humble progressive leftist wants to make a shitton of money
<riteo>
like every leftist wants obviously
<midfavila>
that humble progressive leftist can go cry in the gutter for all i care
<midfavila>
landlord-tenant relationships are fundamentally based on violent extortion
<midfavila>
no service or product is provided
<riteo>
isn't that obvious, it's written in the communist manifesto, go read it /s
<midfavila>
that whole violent enforcement of hierarchy thing is kind of like, the opposite of progressivism
<riteo>
yeah the "i'm a leftist" is clearly bullshit
<riteo>
probably they think that not being bigoted is being leftist if they're actually being serious
<midfavila>
that's the usual north american definition
<riteo>
why are you watching a state newscast
<riteo>
TV's awful and mass journalism is even worse
<midfavila>
because i would rather watch a state newscast than a private newscast
<midfavila>
and there aren't any local cooperative outlets
<riteo>
why are you watching a newscast in the first place
<midfavila>
because there's a triple election within the next year's timeframe or so
<midfavila>
municipal, provincial, and federal
<midfavila>
and there are a lot of huge issues on the table that could have a direct impact on me in the near future
<midfavila>
such as whether or not i'll be stuck as a rentoid for the rest of my life
<riteo>
genuinely asking, aren't there better news sources than a state tv newscast
<riteo>
like online
<midfavila>
tbf i'm watching cbc online
<midfavila>
but there are other small news channels i watch
<riteo>
oh well that's better I suppose than watching it on TV, you know, due to ads
<midfavila>
yep
<riteo>
I can't absolutely bear tv channels anymore
<midfavila>
i've never watched tv
<midfavila>
like ever
<riteo>
I'm a wee baby and since I still live and eat with my family I'm forced to watch it
<riteo>
I at least managed to convince them to mute the tv while ads are on
<riteo>
it doesn't help that the main groups are either "state channels" (RAI) or fucking hyper-capitalist private company founded by noneother than Silvio Berlusconi
<midfavila>
luigi guiseppe
<midfavila>
giuseppe
<riteo>
lmao
<midfavila>
whatever
<riteo>
no idae if you ever heard of him, he made the news all over the world for a shitton of crazy things
<midfavila>
yeah i just ignore libertarians
<riteo>
you did right
<midfavila>
nop
<midfavila>
i hyperfocus pretty much exclusively on what happens in my city and province
<riteo>
laws ad hominem (like lowering the age of consent, imagine why), alleged connections with the mafia (he even stayed in prison) and other shady shit
<midfavila>
the only things i know about italy are funny neapoliton pizza song, spaghetti, funny names, and coffee
<midfavila>
and gelato
<riteo>
his main work, this huge tv network was apparently born through a loop-hole by making 20 fucking different channels, one per region, and synching them up
<midfavila>
and like
<midfavila>
venice
<riteo>
midfavila: that's not too far lol
<midfavila>
oh so it's basically just rupert murdoch in the uk then
<midfavila>
yeah that's pretty standard media mogul behaviour
<riteo>
for some reason most of italy's perception is neapolitan, with which I'm related as I live in a province of naples
<midfavila>
doo doo doo doo doot dooooooooooooo, da da da dooo, da da da dooo
<midfavila>
there's a local italian cafe that serves gelato and stocks a bunch of import food
<midfavila>
good stuff
<riteo>
yeah we go proud by this stuff
<midfavila>
apparently the owner of the store went to "gelato university"
<midfavila>
idk if that's a thing but the stuff is tasty
<riteo>
I'm pretty sure one just gets a certification by going to an academy or something
<midfavila>
i like to stop by and grab an affogato whenever i'm in that part of town
<midfavila>
today i had hazelnut gelato in my espresso
<midfavila>
super yummy
<riteo>
oh nice
<riteo>
we usually use nutella to get an hazelnut espresso
<riteo>
I suppose that using a gelato makes it cold which sounds tasty
<midfavila>
yeah it ends up suuuuper thick and creamy and nutty
<riteo>
mh nice gotta try it out
<midfavila>
and the espresso beans they use are really nice too
<midfavila>
so it has this amazing bold taste with the smoothness from the gelato and it's just aaaaaaaaaaaaa
<riteo>
a nice coffee beverage I had no idea about up to a few years ago was "Caffè Leccese", which as the name implies comes from Lecce, an apulian place (where I did in fact tasted it for the first time)
<riteo>
do you folks have orzata?
<riteo>
it's this almond syrup thing
<midfavila>
i'm sure the cafe would
<midfavila>
but i've never run into it
<riteo>
basically you pour orzata into a glass with ice and then dump a small cup of espresso into it
<midfavila>
the most italian thing i've ever seen in a regular store here is pesto
<riteo>
it becomes this cold almond coffee which is crazy good, especially in the summer
<midfavila>
yum
<riteo>
everything can be italian if you squint hard enough
<riteo>
it's nothing special really, it's just that they're simple recipies
<riteo>
that's what most foreigners get wrong. "I'll put some powdered onion in there" NO, it's simpler
<riteo>
KISS
<midfavila>
i'm putting onion powder in it anyway
<midfavila>
i put onion powder in everything
<riteo>
yeah taste is still taste
<midfavila>
onion power, garlic powder, salt, pepper, chili or chipotle
<riteo>
but it's not needed to be "authentic", whatever that means
<riteo>
also everybody forgets about nothern italy, which is mostly mountany and which is partially connected with germany
<midfavila>
if you don't make it literally just like nonno luigi did back in 1910 it's racist
<midfavila>
*only* italians are allowed to enjoy italian food
<midfavila>
so says the american liberal
<riteo>
people argue on their recipes here too so I'd argue that it's actually unclear what's "authentic"
<midfavila>
idk i think if you're using regional ingredients and techniques it's good enough
<midfavila>
but like
<midfavila>
honestly who cares
<midfavila>
food is food
<riteo>
yeah
<midfavila>
as long as it's delicious who gives a shit lmao
<riteo>
like, one thing I'm extremely lax about is, surprisingly, pizza
<riteo>
make a good bread, that's all that matters
<riteo>
put whatever on it, I don't care
<midfavila>
>pineapple
<riteo>
I don't give a shit
* midfavila
gasps
<riteo>
we have sweet pizzas
<midfavila>
i've had sweet pizza before
<midfavila>
pineapple still doesn't belong on pizza
<riteo>
_AND_ prepare for it, this is actually authentic...
* riteo
rolls drums
<riteo>
we have a thing here in naples, super authentic, named "parigina" which is pizza with tomato, ham, apparently mozzarella (but I've never seen one with it) and... Pastry bread on top
<riteo>
like, the thin thing with a lot of layers
<midfavila>
that sounds pretty tasty
<riteo>
it is indeed
<midfavila>
like a savory baklava
<riteo>
and bread on the bottom
<riteo>
but if anyone outside of naples would've thought about it they would've gone out of their minds
<riteo>
yet here we are eating this type of filled pizza like it's nothing despite having one of the weirdest toppings I've ever seen in my life
<riteo>
so, after that, I've come to the conclusion that the pizza topping debacle has no standing
<midfavila>
idk as long as i'm not eating squid tentacles or organ meat i'm generally not super picky
<riteo>
if this were invented in america it would be banned in italy by law or something
<riteo>
also there's like super little info about this online for some reason
<riteo>
along with "Succo ACE", which is a kind of beverage made with oranges, carrots and lemons
<riteo>
but I'll stop here because I could go on forever about curious food facts lol
<midfavila>
nah that sounds pretty good
<riteo>
I wonder how much local food is undocumented
<midfavila>
i've made some pretty weird drinks before
<riteo>
it is super good and widely sold
<midfavila>
i used to work at a drink stand and we made stuff with beets
<riteo>
but nobody seems to care about it, just like with pariginas. We just take them for granted or something
<riteo>
we even have juice bricks with ace juice in it
<riteo>
do you have some super-local food that nobody else knows about?
<midfavila>
hmm
<midfavila>
i mean the closest thing i can think of off the top of my head would be saskatoon berries
<midfavila>
but i also just moved here
<midfavila>
they're kind of like less sweet slightly more tart blueberries
<midfavila>
kinda rhubarby
<midfavila>
really yummy
<midfavila>
they're in everything here
<riteo>
oh cool
<riteo>
we have very little bluberries here but I can imagine what they taste like and they seem yummy
<midfavila>
blueberries are...
<midfavila>
if they're ripe, they're super sweet
<midfavila>
like, teeth-hurting sweet
<midfavila>
they're kinda firm at first but the second they start to give they collapse completely
<midfavila>
kinda like they burst but without the pop?
<midfavila>
otherwise they're kind of bland
<midfavila>
they're the white sugar of fruits
<riteo>
nice
<riteo>
I think I'll start prepping for going to sleep as it's 7 AM here and I must take at least a nap
<midfavila>
ye fair
<riteo>
It's been a pleasure having a long conversation with you after all this time!
<midfavila>
i need to sleep soon too
<midfavila>
well, you know, you have my email ;p
<riteo>
oh thinking about it I've never used emails for casual conversation
<riteo>
might be fun once in a while for more structured discussions, good point
<riteo>
that said, IRC is fun exactly because everything is so freeform and whatever, and I haven't felt that magic in quite a bit, especially with you (damn was it really a year or two?)
<midfavila>
yes
<midfavila>
i haven't done anything computer-y since january 2023
<riteo>
wait aren't you now in IT department
<riteo>
or is it a new thing
<midfavila>
in theory
<midfavila>
in practice i just plug cables in and do basic stuff
<riteo>
better than nothing I guess
<midfavila>
it's close enough to put it on my CV though
<riteo>
nice
<riteo>
that said, gtg
<midfavila>
hoping with a few more certs and some experience plus my college diploma...
* midfavila
shrugs
<midfavila>
anyway yeah ttyl
<riteo>
cya!
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<Natris1979>
man, glad I came here. I hadn't realized kisslinux.org had been taken over by nastiness. I knew it had be archived/stagnant but still.
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<sewn>
awesomesauce
<testuser[m]>
> If you need to split stems to create karaoke version of any song use online tool that is called vocal remover. It works on any Linux distribution.
<testuser[m]>
who put this lol
<sewn>
testuser[m]: that's my question brah
<sewn>
it was bought out, scraped, and now is being used as advertising
<Natris1979>
super gross
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<midfavila>
i am of the being returned
<midfavila>
hemlno
<midfavila>
rootfs is almost back up and running
<midfavila>
i would suggest that kiss-community's x11 emacs build be reconfigured to target the lucid toolkit instead of gtk3
<midfavila>
gtk3 is known to have stability issues
<midfavila>
particularly in daemon mode
<midfavila>
gtk3 also runs like shit compared to the xaw build
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