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<ioraff> illiliti: have you been sending patches to the muon list without git-send-email?
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<testuser[m]12> Hi
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<noocsharp> hi
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<ioraff> hi
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<Ogromny> Hi everybody
<Ogromny> Does any of you have done a package for clang-tools-extra ?
<Ogromny> (I try to install clangd)
<testuser[m]12> Sanitizers clang tools everything
<Ogromny> Ty <4
<Ogromny> <3*
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<illiliti> ioraff: thanks for the patch. did you test it with foot-pgo?
<illiliti> and i use git-send-email+msmtp if you still interested
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<ioraff> illiliti: yes
<ioraff> do you know when your mesa MR is supposed to appear in a release?
<testuser[m]12> Which
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<midfavila> hey nerds
<testuser[m]12> midfavila: hi
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<noocsharp> what did you just call me
<testuser[m]12> Nerd
<phoebos> o/
<phoebos> what have you all been up to
<midfavila> you fucking heard me, noocsharp
<midfavila> what're you gonna do about it,
<midfavila> n e r d?
<midfavila> phoebos, I haven't been up to much, myself. Working on a shell client for invidious, got a new mathematics book, etc.
<midfavila> you?
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<phoebos> midfavila: not much either. need to have a project but can't be motivated
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<noocsharp> phoebos: how's your javascript?
<illiliti> ioraff: no idea tbh
<phoebos> haven't touched it for like 3 years, why
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<phoebos> used to do stuff with canvas
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<noocsharp> i started working on a little collaborative text editing server
<noocsharp> it works over websocket, so i have a really simple browser editor
<noocsharp> trying to escape google docs basically
<testuser[m]12> cryptpad
<phoebos> how far have you got
<phoebos> better idea: an ed server that works like irc
<phoebos> log in, send commands, other people can see what you did
<phoebos> server forks on new connection and sends everything to all the file descriptors
<phoebos> first file descriptor is connected to ed
<noocsharp> testuser[m]12: that actually looks cool
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<noocsharp> phoebos: it's not collaborative editing if only one person will ever use it
<phoebos> if two people who could use ed met irl they might use it together!
<noocsharp> haha good one
<phoebos> but honestly, i have no idea how to do that stuff in javascript
<phoebos> sounds like the kind of stuff eMploYeRS want though
<noocsharp> it's pretty simple, it just reads data from a websocket connection and modifies a textarea
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<phoebos> can i look at your code?
<phoebos> but also, fuck you, i'm gonna make this ed thing and you and i *will* use it
<noocsharp> if you say so
<noocsharp> here's the js code: https://www.nihaljere.xyz/files/main.js
<noocsharp> obviously unusable since you don't have the server
<testuser[m]12> where reactjs expressjs serverless mongo
<noocsharp> cryptpad is written in js btw
<testuser[m]12> ik
<phoebos> > let cid = raw[0] + (raw[1] << 8) + (raw[2] << 16) + (raw[3] << 24);
<phoebos> uint64_t cid = (uint64_t)(*raw);
<phoebos> s/64/32/
<phoebos> g
<noocsharp> well you're assuming the host is little endian there
<phoebos> ntohl or something
<phoebos> isn't *raw coming from your server
<noocsharp> yeah
<phoebos> so explicitly send it as LE
<noocsharp> i do
<phoebos> oh
<noocsharp> but js byte order isn't specified i don't think
<phoebos> ach
<phoebos> the browser virtual machine is certainly nicer than X to code for in some ways
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<noocsharp> i watched a talk recently about how the v8 people got browser js to run half as fast as C which is very impressive
<noocsharp> well c++ actually, doing prime number generation
<midfavila> bleh, that doesn't bode well
<noocsharp> bode well for what
<midfavila> PC software as an ecosystem
<midfavila> if JS runs faster, then that makes the whole "JS is slow as shit" talking point less valid . -.
<midfavila> makes it less likely people'll develop desktop applications where performance is a factor, I bet.
<testuser[m]12> js is shit
<noocsharp> you can write poorly performing code in any language
<noocsharp> just stick to programs written by people you trust to not write bad code and you'll be fine
<noocsharp> and js will always be slower than c/c++
<midfavila> sure, but my point is that if it's "good enough", then there's not going to be as much of a reason to write software natively
<midfavila> which means doing stuff outside of the browser becomes increasingly difficult to sustain, in some cases
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<noocsharp> i mean browsers are mostly user facing software anyway, anything that actually requires performance will still be written natively
<noocsharp> that is, the stuff backing the user facing software
<noocsharp> at the very least, you can see exactly what code in the browser does which lets you replicate it natively
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<illiliti> is there any browser design that doesn't suck? i mean the concept is very prone to over-engineering and bloatware
<midfavila> mothra
* midfavila nods
<midfavila> links is also based
<phoebos> links is cool but actually crap
<phoebos> the code is a big fat mess
<noocsharp> i use lynx to read html email
<midfavila> howso, phoebos? do you think it's salvageable?
<phoebos> noocsharp: me too, because links -dump doesn't print the urls along with hyperlink names
<phoebos> midfavila: didn't you play with the code once?
<phoebos> there's a lot of hard-coded stuff
<phoebos> eg. keybindings
<midfavila> only enough to kick a patch I found into working order
<midfavila> i've considered forking links for a while now
<midfavila> try to make it leaner and easier to integrate into a system
<midfavila> be cool to optionally embed a scheme for such purposes
<phoebos> some of the elinks/lynx programs are forks of links i think?
<midfavila> elinks is a fork, lynx and links are unrelated
<phoebos> ok
<phoebos> have you used nyxt
<midfavila> yes
<midfavila> when it worked it was fairly comfy
<midfavila> i was going to say that nyxt gets an honorable mention, but it uses common lisp and is a pain in the ass to build aside from that
<midfavila> ...of course, common lisp is *mostly* fine, but they rely heavily on SBCL
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<phinxy> I got gimp, inkscape and kicad working. But at what cost? D:
<phinxy> I saw someone patched out atk from gtk. A mega-patch. Must have taken a lot of effort.
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