00:19 <sad_plan> madmuha: you can still use st on wayland though. theres a port for it. https://github.com/michaelforney/st

00:20 <sad_plan> gimp is available in kiss-xorg repo atleast.

00:23 <sad_plan> I havent personally been able to build it yet, but its there anyway. should work fine

02:29 <testuser[m]> Hi

02:29 <sad_plan> hi

12:04 <madmuha> sad_plan on wayland or xwayland?

12:36 <sad_plan> madmuha: you can use st on both. with xwayland, you should be able to use regular st, and with mcf's port, you can use st on wayland nativly. he also has a port of dmenu for wayland aswell

12:43 <madmuha> sad_plan: dude thank you so much!

12:44 <sad_plan> no problem C:

12:50 <madmuha> todays the day ill make my machine more lovely with kiss hehe.. At least ill try. do u guys know whast she best method to encrypt my machine? Not sure if its better to use luks or something else... I have seabios and GRUB2 in my bios cmos (payload) so i actually can encrypt /boot too. Any ideas? Whats the most kiss way to do it?

12:53 <sad_plan> I do belive luks is the way to go. I also belive you need kiss-encryption package perhaps. someone else has to verify this

12:54 <sad_plan> i correct myself, kiss-encrypt has been renamed to init-hooks. its in community

12:54 <sad_plan> you would then need the luks init hooks

12:57 <madmuha> great! thanks dude. Did u do it this way? i will probably have some questions since im fresh here.

12:58 <sad_plan> I havent encrypted my drives :p

12:59 <sad_plan> but Im still here to help if I can.

14:13 <madmuha> sad_plan: thanks dude! Why did Dylan left the project? or did he? I have no idea so im asking here haha...

14:15 <sad_plan> we have no idea. he just left. he initially said he left for the holidays over xmas and newyears. but he didnt really come back at first, and when i *did*, he didnt come back to kiss. right now he is only committing to private repos, so we have no clue. at least I dont

14:16 <sad_plan> I honestly dunno, maybe he grew tired of it? my guess is as good as yours untill someone asks him about it

14:22 <madmuha> he is probably tired of how tech is used against us nowdays... Who knows... Im happy to try kiss out anyway :)

14:24 <sad_plan> aint we all? the nice thing about KISS is that it has a bus-factor of 1. everyone can maintain their own kiss install.

14:26 <madmuha> whats bus-factor? sorry ahahaa... Im here to learn as well.

14:27 <sad_plan> bus-factor is the number of people in which can leave the project without the project dying

14:28 <sad_plan> and its 0. i mistyped.

14:28 <sad_plan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

14:28 <madmuha> oh great! glad to hear that! I really like the idea behind it. sacred simplicity

14:29 <sad_plan> it means noone is needed for the project to continue. dylan is not needed, and neither is anyone else really.

14:29 <sad_plan> indeed

14:29 <sad_plan> its one of the reasons which makes KISS so great

14:30 <sad_plan> "The "bus factor" is the minimum number of team members that have to suddenly disappear from a project before the project stalls due to lack of knowledgeable or competent personnel." was the definition I was looking for :')

14:31 <madmuha> im using gentoo now and i have no idea how stuff work there.. Im happy kiss exsists. Im glad there is such a "place" where I will be able to learn stuff.

14:33 <sad_plan> yeah, kiss is a great place to learn alot of stuff about linux

14:36 <madmuha> do u use irssi as irc client?

14:38 <madmuha> can you please direct message me? i still dont know how ill see it since i never got a DM from anyone. Im pretty new at ircs

14:40 <madmuha> ok. figured it out! Ty omanom

14:42 <omanom> there's a big mix in here. catgirl, birch, kirc, weechat, whatever dilyn was using that i don't remember (KiwiIRC?)

14:44 <madmuha> irssi works fine. im happy with it. Im just getting used to the client :D

14:55 <sad_plan> theres also ii and sic aswell. I currently use catgirl

15:44 <sad_plan> is there any trick to partial static linking? Im trying to figure out how to get packages to statically link to certain libs

15:45 <sad_plan> should be able to use -Wl,-Bstatic -l<lib>, but it either fails, or just links to shared lib

15:46 <testuser[m]> cuz the packages already specify -llib before ur -Wl,-Bbla -llib

15:47 <testuser[m]> Easiest is just to remove shared versions of libs from packages u want to statically link

15:47 <sad_plan> ah, so I have to alter the makefile in that case?

15:47 <testuser[m]> no

15:47 <testuser[m]> Too much work

15:48 <testuser[m]> just --disable-shared on libX

15:48 <sad_plan> yeah, I experienced that when building the static kiss build I did. simply not having the shared libs was actually way easier than having to force the linker to use the static libs instead

15:49 <sad_plan> but I dont want that. I want to have the shared libs for other packages, or.. nothing should really use it ideally, but realistically, I need them

15:50 <sad_plan> lets just say, I wanna link sowm to libXau. using CFLAGS=-Wl,-Bstatic -lXau doesnt seem to work

15:55 <sad_plan> sowm is just an example, and sowm is basically easy to link statically, but i.e. webkit will link to alot of stuff. and it would bring me great joy to get rid of some of those dynamic links

15:57 <sad_plan> forcing some static libs would make things easier for me, if only I could make it actually link to their respective static libs

17:32 <ioraff> illiliti: didn't think github-cli would set up branches how it did and I pushed to your repo in error. in any case, I just did what you said needed to be done in your pcre2 PR comment

17:39 <illiliti> no worries. i'll handle that

19:20 <phinxy> How does arrays look like in ash?

19:30 <illiliti> set -- entry1 entry2 entry3; echo "index1 - $1"; echo "all - $@"

19:32 <illiliti> it is not a "true" array though

20:18 <rohan> noocsharp: wayclip works with bemenu?

20:18 <rohan> i cant paste

22:27 <pomekon> im actually setting my new kiss RN but on the main site i only see core, extra, testing and wayland.. Where is the community one?

22:27 <pomekon> its not on the main site right?

22:31 <pomekon> found it

22:31 <pomekon> :)