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<testuser[m]> Hi
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<testuser[m]> Bruh this chat is soo dead
<phoebos> rip
<testuser[m]> phoebos: what u upto
<phoebos> atm, playing darts which I am pretty hopeless at
<phoebos> been doing some uxn stuff recently
<testuser[m]> Lol
<testuser[m]> This thing?
<phoebos> term just finished and i need to catch up on lectures but i don't have that kind of motivation
<phoebos> yeah
<phoebos> there's an x11 version i did POSIX timing for
<phoebos> what have you been up to
<noocsharp> wait why do you have to catch up on lectures if the term is finished
<phoebos> because i didn't go to some
<phoebos> because depression
<phoebos> also they're all recorded since covid
<noocsharp> but if the term is finished, doesn't that mean there aren't any consequences to not catching up? or are you doing it for it's own sake
<phoebos> unfortunately there are exams in may which i'd fail if i didn't catch up
<noocsharp> ah, i see
<noocsharp> unfortunate
<testuser[m]> phoebos: nothing just trying to get back to vrogramming stuff, not been productive for a few weeks
<testuser[m]> Brogramming
<phoebos> apparently other countries' education isn't as focused on exams as in the UK
<noocsharp> i think american universities are generally a joke compared to uk ones
<testuser[m]> phoebos: u got some screenshots of that uxn stuff
<noocsharp> unironically easier than high school
<testuser[m]> I dont even know what it is but it uses sdl so
<phoebos> noocsharp: really
<phoebos> testuser[m]: yeh in a min
<testuser[m]> Oh it's for the emulator
<phoebos> yeah try it out there's demo code in the repo
<noocsharp> well i've had a few math classes which are hard, but other than that, the standards to get a bachelors degree are extremely low
<omanom> bachelor's in what?
<phoebos> it's similar for some more arty degrees here, but most science degrees are difficult
<testuser[m]> omanom leetcode
<noocsharp> theoretically engineering and comp sci are the most competitive, so they are the hardest where i am
<phoebos> lol
<phoebos> testuser[m]: if you can access mastodon, @neauoire@merveilles.town is the creator and often posts photos
<testuser[m]> Compooter engineer moment
<testuser[m]> phoebos: ok
<noocsharp> omanom: bs in math
<testuser[m]> noocsharp: weren't u cs
<noocsharp> nope, never have been
<noocsharp> probably why i can't find a software internship
<testuser[m]> U just need leetcode for that vro
<noocsharp> lol, good one
<noocsharp> grinding leetcode is lower than majoring in comp sci
<omanom> i've had more non-CS degree coworkers than those with a CS degree
<noocsharp> do you work at a megacorp?
<omanom> math, physics, a few computer or electrical engineering, one guy was actually an english major
<omanom> yes
<phoebos> noocsharp: what year are you in
<omanom> not a FAANG but similar scale
<testuser[m]> Rich
<noocsharp> 3rd year (a junior, but i don't think uk people use that word)
<noocsharp> hbu?
<phoebos> 2nd year
<phoebos> so what's a senior
<omanom> 4th year
<omanom> *a senior is 4th year
<phoebos> oh you do a bit of everything in the first year right?
<phoebos> here a bachelor's course is 3 years
<noocsharp> generally yeah, you have general university requirements to get out of the way first year
<noocsharp> but in you can test out of that stuff in high school a lot of the time
<noocsharp> ap tests
<testuser[m]> omanom: what's ur role
<testuser[m]> at work
<omanom> some universities provide accelerated programs as well
<omanom> i'm just a lowly developer right now
<testuser[m]> No i mean
<testuser[m]> Like webscale or devpoop or embedded or wat
<noocsharp> omanom: are you american?
<omanom> yes, i'm american. and mostly backend, another team handles all the frontend stuff now
<omanom> in the past we acted as the integration point for everyone's pieces so i'd have to meddle in a lot more
<testuser[m]> omanom: python?
<omanom> when it makes sense, yes. most of the stuff i have done is python. there's also a lot of C++ and Java, and some C#
<omanom> oh and Swift, the frontend teams have switched to target exclusively iShit
<testuser[m]> Bruh
<testuser[m]> Frontend just means app now?
<omanom> for us, now, yes
<omanom> i keep pushing for at /least/ having something people can use in any browser but with no success so far
<omanom> in the past we've had Java client applications and web apps done with Python/Java/mix
<omanom> back then, "frontend" included work with Django or Spring
<noocsharp> y'all got any summer internships?
<omanom> other parts of the company do, but my group keeps getting told its not in the budget. which is ok, because we don't really have the time available to mentor an intern effectively anyways
<omanom> do you have a career center on campus that maintains internship and coop opportunities?
<noocsharp> sort of, they outsource a lot of it to a company called handshake which is basically indeed but for individual schools
<omanom> oof
<omanom> not saying it'll work for you, but what i did is i went to the career center, looked at the list of internship opportunities, immediately crossed out all FAANG-type stuff, and then essentially picked randomly from the list that was left if something sounded like it might be interesting
<noocsharp> yeah, i think it's probably best for me to go talk to an actual human about this
<phoebos> noocsharp: ha i think my uni also uses handshake
<omanom> i'd agree re: talk to actual human
<noocsharp> whenever i apply to something on handshake, i feel like my application just goes to /dev/null
<phoebos> ^
<phoebos> it's useless
<testuser[m]> Bruh
<omanom> we aren't allowed to do our own selections -- we fill out a form with the job specification/requirements, it goes to HR, HR hands it off to a specific set of recruiters, and then the recruiters give us a list of people to interview
<omanom> we get like one actual candidate from every 10-15 that the recruiters pass back
<noocsharp> such is life at a megacorp i suppose
<omanom> "actual" meaning can communicate with words, can type, and doesn't immediately hit on any females they see
<noocsharp> wow
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<testuser[m]> Bruh what do those people put in their resume that they get selected
<testuser[m]> I mean the types that u mentioned
<phoebos> > please note java/javascript experience is essential
<testuser[m]> How long was dylan gone for, last time?
<phoebos> what tf does that slash mean
<testuser[m]> : yea who says java/javascript
<testuser[m]> That's even worse than c/c++
<phoebos> testuser[m]: it was from like november 19 to may or june?
<testuser[m]> Hmm
<phoebos> 8th june
<omanom> testuser[m] I have no clue why they get selected. most of them don't even have any relevant experience on their resumes to what we ask specifically for
<testuser[m]> phoebos: btw just apply everywhere, HR puts any garbage in the description, same with applicants who put tech on their resume after doing a hello world tutorial
<testuser[m]> omanom: good college?
<omanom> nope
<phoebos> testuser[m]: ok
<phoebos> hehe i can put "package maintainer" on my resume
<noocsharp> i did that
<omanom> do it, seriously
<omanom> one of the "joke" ones when i was graduating was being a leader of a 10man WoW group. it involves scheduling, personal skills, analytical skills, research... you can make it sound great in even general terms and it is completely legitimate experience
<testuser[m]> Helped in packaging software for Linux distributions and delivered them to users in a highly scalable and distributed manner through github
<noocsharp> > distributed
<noocsharp> > github
<testuser[m]> They won't realise
<illiliti> we need more buzzwords
<noocsharp> maybe i should put "google searching skills" on my resume, and see if that bypasses their autofiltering thing
<testuser[m]> Lead a highly distributed investigation through IRC into a chromium bug lingering for years, resulting in a prompt fix within a matter of days 🚀
<noocsharp> wait did you figure out the bug?
<testuser[m]> Ye
<testuser[m]> Wait
<phoebos> :D
<noocsharp> nice
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<noocsharp> maybe it's time to update my computer again
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<noocsharp> chromium's been crashing on many web pages for too long
<testuser[m]> Update ur kernel too
<testuser[m]> Dirtypipe
<noocsharp> oh yeah, forgot about that
<testuser[m]> and zlib
<noocsharp> was there a zlib vuln?
<phoebos> eek i'm on 5.10.87
<testuser[m]> Ye the author didn't make a release for years after the fix lol
<testuser[m]> Then it was rediscovered
<testuser[m]> Btw all those things people run in docker containers, are the containers ever updated
<testuser[m]> ig that would impact that 99.99% uptime of highly scalable webapps
<noocsharp> why don't you ask them
<phoebos> can't risk a minute of downtime to avoid a vulnerability
<testuser[m]> Idk any
<testuser[m]> anyone in jerb
<testuser[m]> omanom: ?
<omanom> it is a big issue at my work to try and keep things up to date
<noocsharp> phoebos: do you still do xmpp stuff?
<phoebos> i still chat on it occasionally yeah
<phoebos> you're welcome to say hi on there
<phoebos> ben@bvnf.space
<noocsharp> i will, but i'm also getting to the point where i want to actually host a small server for family and friends
<omanom> there's some stuff still running Ubuntu 14.10 and the security guys are in shambles about it
<phoebos> noocsharp: i tried to get my friends to use it, but they honestly don't care
<noocsharp> that's my fear
<phoebos> but it would be *so* much nicer than snapchat+discord
<testuser[m]> I don't think there's any fancy xmpp client that would please them
<testuser[m]> Maybe signal or element?
<phoebos> conversations is nice, but android only
<phoebos> testuser[m]: are you still making an element client
<phoebos> *matrix client
<testuser[m]> tbh what's the big deal for them, it's not like they don't install 10 other garbage apps daily
<testuser[m]> phoebos: i got bored of it lol
<testuser[m]> I need to get back
<phoebos> lol
<phoebos> matrix is just so slow
<testuser[m]> Its data hungry too
<noocsharp> lol, why do you use it then?
<testuser[m]> least worst
<phoebos> xmpp?
<noocsharp> ^
<testuser[m]> And i can bridge irc and pisscord easily
<phoebos> honestly irc is the best but it requires a bouncer really
<testuser[m]> Yea
<testuser[m]> Highly interoperable one app to rule everything 🚀😎 all in one
<noocsharp> i don't see how matrix is better than xmpp in that regard, besides the fact that they promote interoperability more
<noocsharp> like you don't have to go write a discord-matrix bridge, but you would for xmpp
<phoebos> oops s/bounce.tal/bounce.mp4/
<omanom> @phoebos there's snikket for iphones
<testuser[m]> Also if u need to find communities then matrix is better cuz more users
<testuser[m]> Still super dead compared to pisscord servers
<testuser[m]> phoebos: ur server is being slow
<testuser[m]> Or maybe my shinternet
<phoebos> because everyone in this highly active channel is trying to connect
<phoebos> blame digitalocean
<phoebos> the server's in frankfurt
<testuser[m]> phoebos: seems cool
<testuser[m]> What's the last thing
<phoebos> the nice thing about uxn, apart from being v simple and easy to implement, is that it's easy graphics
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<testuser[m]> phoebos: write a vrowser in uxn
<phoebos> lmao
<phoebos> there was some discussion about adding support for 9p networking
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<midfavila> hey, any of you guys happen to have an NSS package that works?
<illiliti> i have one. what's the problem?
<midfavila> The one I've got is pretty old, since I don't normally use software that requires NSS - for whatever reason it's not properly generating the .pc file properly at build-time, and I'm not willing to debug the magic in the build script rn
<midfavila> would rather steal someone else's package
<illiliti> have you tried this one?
<midfavila> nope, will now
<midfavila> yeah so that one *also* doesn't work, but I'm assuming that's because it uses the KISS DSL
<midfavila> i'll just have to poke at it or something
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