01:04 <basshelal[m]> We can always add a function in `Platform` or one of the supported `Platfom`s like `Linux` and `Darwin` (or even a new superclass for those called `Unix`) that returns you the "canonical Unix lib locations" like:

01:04 <basshelal[m]> `List<String> unixPaths = Linux.getUnixLibPaths() // contains "/lib/" "/usr/lib" "/usr/local/lib" and friends`

01:04 <basshelal[m]> Then you can add the Unix paths in your search when you need to load the library.

01:08 <basshelal[m]> fzakaria: is right regarding having "purity" that hardcoding shouldn't be the solution, but goddamn macOS is so annoying and so inconvenient. Again check my comment regarding this on GitHub maybe I'm doing something terribly wrong and I'm an idiot (probable) but I've tried so much and nothing is helpful, the JVM source code indicates we should have those lib paths (not `/usr/local/lib` and maybe for good reason) but I cannot get them for the

01:08 <basshelal[m]> life of me

03:21 <fzakaria[m]> basshelal: i don't have MacOS but please run:

03:21 <fzakaria[m]> ```

03:21 <fzakaria[m]> java -XshowSettings:properties

03:21 <fzakaria[m]> ```

12:00 <basshelal[m]> fzakaria: https://gist.github.com/basshelal/806c46fb409d35a26feac23ad7ac5793

12:07 <basshelal[m]> fzakaria: https://gist.github.com/basshelal/0f77bf5f2fb192707acd33aa7b2e0f85

12:08 <basshelal[m]> The second one is from a JDK 8 JVM, the first one was 16

12:09 <basshelal[m]> Maybe this is because of "System Integrity Protection" ?

12:09 <basshelal[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection

12:09 <basshelal[m]> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/disabling_and_enabling_system_integrity_protection

15:24 <fzakaria[m]> They all have /usr/lib/java which is great and /Library/Java/Extensions.

15:24 <fzakaria[m]> Those look to me like idiomatic folders in MacOS BSD where to find dylib

15:25 <headius> Good morning

15:28 <basshelal[m]> > <@fzakaria:matrix.org> They all have /usr/lib/java which is great and /Library/Java/Extensions.

15:28 <basshelal[m]> > Those look to me like idiomatic folders in MacOS BSD where to find dylib

15:28 <basshelal[m]> Yeah they all have `/usr/lib/java` but all these folders are the dylibs for java and the jvm, not the "system" dylibs or any user installed dylibs

15:30 <basshelal[m]> fzakaria I could be thinking too much from a GNU/Linux mindset though since macOS no longer actually uses Unix lib paths for its system libs and instead uses a different format and path. I believe its like `CoreAudio.Framework` which is like a directory to resources relating to the actual system libs

15:30 <basshelal[m]> This doesn't matter to us, it's just to say that macOS has become very different from Unix and GNU/Linux

15:41 <basshelal[m]> Morning headius 😊