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<whitequark[cis]>
<sigstoat[m]> "screw terminal breakout board..." <- > <@_discord_748665150114103306:catircservices.org> screw terminal breakout board i posted a picture of a few days back is up. enjoy. https://github.com/jkominek/glasgow-hats/tree/master/breakout
<whitequark[cis]>
> haven't felt like testing the other one, so it isn't there yet.
<whitequark[cis]>
this is nice. may i ask you to send me one, when you do a run?
<whitequark[cis]>
(also, once validated, this is absolutely the kind of thing I'm happy to have in the main repo; broad utility and well-designed)
<gruetzkopf>
are these 2.54mm grid screw terminals? if yes i suggest doubling up on their through holes 5mm farther, so you can use push in terminal blocks (like for example wago 233-512)
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<DiffieHellman>
The Glasgow looked interesting, but then I saw discord, github and pushover licensing and was left wondering. Are all of the hardware designs and supporting software actually free and if not, which parts aren't?
<DiffieHellman>
Also, how well will it go reading TSOP NAND chips and is there any pre-developed chip support, or is reading the datasheet and handcrafting support required?
<whitequark[cis]>
the main communication channels are actually IRC and Matrix; Discord is a compromise with our hardware manufacturer (1bitSquared) as to not split the community
<whitequark[cis]>
what is "pushover licensing"?
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<DiffieHellman>
They're licenses that don't defend the freedom of the software by allowing people to just take it and turn it proprietary.
<whitequark[cis]>
oh, are you a GPL zealot?
<DiffieHellman>
I'm a AGPLv3-or-later zealot.
<whitequark[cis]>
for context, the reason everything built by the Glasgow open source project has been dual-licensed under 0-BSD/Apache-2 because I consider intellectual property illegitimate and the idea of inviting cops in our communities abhorrent
<DiffieHellman>
I consider the whole concept of "intellectual property" illegitimate.
<K900>
But I'm not seeing messages from IRC people
<ari>
hm?
<whitequark[cis]>
are you sure it's not a federation issue?
<ari>
it has my latest message
<ari>
which is very much on irc
<K900>
OK wait
<K900>
My homeserver is rejecting those events?
<K900>
It seems to be a federation issue
<whitequark[cis]>
DiffieHellman: I make a very tenuous exception for trademarks, for now, but if it makes you feel better, I consider the institutions of copyright and patents illegitimate
<DiffieHellman>
Cops don't generally even participate in copyright matters - it's only when companies order them to do things that aren't even relevant to copyright law do issues happen. I find the concept of inviting people to attack the community by inviting them to release proprietary versions abhorrent.
<whitequark[cis]>
(the only reason Apache-2 is even there is to make sure it would not benefit any contributor to take out a patent on something they come up with for the project)
<whitequark[cis]>
sounds like a you problem
<DiffieHellman>
I do consider copyright and patents to be illegitimate, but they exist and give people the power to turn things proprietary, so the only course of action that makes sense is to wield the laws to ensure freedom that cannot be taken away.
<whitequark[cis]>
ever heard the saying "the master's tools won't demolish the master's house"?
<whitequark[cis]>
it doesn't universally apply, but it sure does here
<DiffieHellman>
I haven't, but the saying that doesn't make sense. The masters sledgehammer and dynamite will indeed demolish the masters house if wielded correctly.
<whitequark[cis]>
copyright (as well as patents) is not a sledgehammer; it is a thin legal fiction designed to benefit and protect capital, and has a side effect of distracting people like you
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<DiffieHellman>
One of the reasons copyright laws appear to have slowed in getting worse is because the stronger they get, the stronger the GPL family of licenses get.
<K900>
/leave
<K900>
Ugh
<DiffieHellman>
K900: Do you not enjoy freedom?
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<k900[m]1>
OK I guess I'll just lurk on the Discord side for now
<k900[m]1>
Until I figure out how to unfuck my homeserver
<k900[m]1>
I enjoy working chat apps and don't enjoy getting dragged into rhetorical debates on the meaning of copyright
<whitequark[cis]>
as far as I can tell you're just a GNU concern troll who has no real interest in the project
<DiffieHellman>
I have real interest in the project if it's free.
<k900[m]1>
(not that Discord is particularly working, but I'll take what I can get)
<whitequark[cis]>
you haven't contributed anything thus far besides entitlement and tedious debate club conversation. if you aren't planning on it you should leave
<whitequark[cis]>
oh, you're actually joined from IRC and the mere existence of the Discord bridge upsets you; I missed that beautiful tidbit
<DiffieHellman>
The mere existence of an official discord channel upsets me - I don't care about whatever bridge.
<k900[m]1>
I'm usually a lurker but my guy please take the hint already
<k900[m]1>
This is painful to w-- oh
<k900[m]1>
Sure that works
<ari>
whatever happened, it didn't happen on irc side
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<galibert[m]>
Sounds like a correct resolution to the problem
DiffieHellman was kicked from #glasgow by whitequark[cis] [I]
<whitequark[cis]>
wow, it's remarkably annoying to do moderation actions via matrix
<whitequark[cis]>
and it didn't even translate the message correctly (does it even understand quoting...)
<whitequark[cis]>
for the IRC/Discord side, the kickban message should have been "I think this should solve that problem. cheers!"
<whitequark[cis]>
why didn't it translate the Matrix ban into an IRC ban anyways? that should work
<tpw_rules>
according to my client it was the capital letter I
<whitequark[cis]>
can someone on IRC side check if _catircservices is opped?
<tpw_rules>
they are
<whitequark[cis]>
tpw_rules: yes. it broke after the first space
<whitequark[cis]>
ok. well. no idea then. appservice-irc jank
<ari>
it seems like the bridge didn't use ":" when sending the kick command. just irc protocol things…
<ari>
(tl;dr: if you want a multi-word kick reason, you need to prepend it with a ":", otherwise just the first word gets used as the kick reason)
<whitequark[cis]>
oh... this is my lack of IRC knowledge showing
<whitequark[cis]>
(the bridge doesn't support sending a kick command. it just has a "send raw IRC command" command)
<ari>
i only know this because i implemented irc protocol by hand once
<ari>
or at least, attempted to. later on moved to some ready-made library
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<jeeves4ever[m]>
On to the actual topic of Glasgow - does https://glasgow.1bitsquared.com/ work for people? Crowd supply keeps pushing estimated ship date so it is always ~2 weeks away, and entering my order number on the tracker gives "Sorry could not find order with the ID 112857"
<whitequark[cis]>
cc esden
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<man0bit[m]>
yup, works
<man0bit[m]>
Crowd Supply are not able to delay or expedite an order, if anyone was wondering
<sigstoat[m]>
i don't imagine i'll have them produced. others are welcome to. if/when i get more PCBs with corrected silkscreen made, i'd be happy to assemble a pair for you.
<sigstoat[m]>
i don't think there'd really be space for a second set of through holes. maybe i'm not understanding your suggestion, though.
<sigstoat[m]>
i'd suggest making a second version of the board with an alternative spacing.
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<esden[m]>
Hey 👋 if you dm me with your order number we can look into it together. There is also a chance that if you owe money for shipping cost adjustment your order is suspended and won’t show up in the tracker. But I can help you to make sure.
<omnitechnomancer>
I think the wago terminal blocks mentioned use two throughhole pins per wire instead of just one but possibly otherwise take up similar space?
<esden[m]>
jeeves4ever (@_discord_327230255146336256:catircservices.org) The adjustment payment thing shows up in a different place. It is for whatever reason not in the order overview.
<ebb>
For the tax recalculation CS sprang on me, the only way I found to pay it was through the magic URL in their support email thread with me
<ebb>
but I think that's a special case
<esden[m]>
Yeah that might be necessary to do. I can make sure though that the order is in my dataset or not, before they have to contact CS…
<sigstoat[m]>
oh oh. i see now. i misread the doubling and 5mm as talking about the 5.08mm pitch terminal blocks.
<omnitechnomancer>
I assume these have similar spacing but have not checked
<sigstoat[m]>
yeah that could maybe fit. might still be nicer to just make a second PCB specifically for the other terminal block style. it's not like i'm going to make and stock these things, so i don't need to keep a SKU count down 🙂
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<esden[m]>
fwiw the most recent batch of glasgows, that we shipped last friday, was delivered to Mouser today, so you can expect some more shipping notifications soon
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<yahyeet0644[m]>
esden (@_discord_269693955338141697:catircservices.org) how many was in the batch you shipped
<esden[m]>
it essentially says that on the tracking page. See the "At Mouser" column (it is offset by the double-ship stuff, so for me shipping 216 it shows 210 at mouser)
<esden[m]>
Ok for anyone else interested Jeeves order is in the system. They had trouble using the tracker on mobile. The page is not very "responsive" and tends to squish the fields to oblivion on small mobile devices.
<yahyeet0644[m]>
Ok I’m still far away
<yahyeet0644[m]>
Thanks
<esden[m]>
yahyeet0644 (@_discord_700100383934251128:catircservices.org) sorry. It will ship eventually though. 🙂
<esden[m]>
I am working on ways to speed up our production output. It just did not happen yet.
<galibert[m]>
You’re on track to finishing before you manage to do that
<esden[m]>
Yeah, that is my feeling too... I might be done before I implement the improvements...
<esden[m]>
But the improvements will be useful in the future I think... so probably still worth while...
<galibert[m]>
Cool
<galibert[m]>
And then there’s the hyperram, I wonder what the demand is going to be, I know I’ll order one just because it can be useful
<whitequark[cis]>
the moment there is a well functioning LA applet that requires HyperRAM, probably the demand is going to be high
<galibert[m]>
Nice
<esden[m]>
I think I am slowly figuring out how to produce the hyperrams... I have an idea how to hold the thin PCBs in the stencil printer using vacuum. And I think a simple 3d printed carrier should work to run the board through the PnP machine. I "just" need the time to work on that... *sigh*
<esden[m]>
handling 0.5mm thick PCBs is "interesting" 😉
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