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<nemanjan00[m]>
What about cases?
<whitequark[cis]>
I think cases are like all done?
<nemanjan00[m]>
I do have separate order for case and am not using Glasgow mostly out of fear of damaging it... I got mine second hand off ebay, without case...
<q3k>
there's a pretty printable case model in the repo if you just want _something_
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<q3k>
i've been using a modified version of that in my glasgow - i should actually push my modifications somewhere
<whitequark[cis]>
could do a PR?
<q3k>
it's a hack because i've just modified the STEP in freecad, i can't run f360
<q3k>
so not sure if it belongs in the main repo. i'd rather have someone with f360 redo the modifications correctly
<whitequark[cis]>
ahh
<q3k>
sorry, i've modified the IGES file, not the STEP file
<q3k>
i could also attempt to remodel the case fully in freecad, if that's something we'd like
<whitequark[cis]>
freecad makes me sad
<q3k>
it makes me sad too
<whitequark[cis]>
model it in solvespace instead?
<q3k>
i would if solvespace had chamfers
<whitequark[cis]>
I think you can have a frustum now?
<whitequark[cis]>
which gives you a chamfer in a somewhat roundabout way
<q3k>
i've been doing chamfers in roundabout ways in solvespace long enough that switching to freecad was worth it, even with the sadness that entails
<q3k>
i can give it a shot but no promises
<whitequark[cis]>
grim
<q3k>
yeah it's annoying because i really like solvespace otherwise, it's just that i've outgrown its cad kernel
<whitequark[cis]>
if i was in your place i'd pay somebody to add chamfers to it
<q3k>
i'd do that if i could afford it (i can't)
<whitequark[cis]>
(i think i spent somewhere south of 20000 USD of my own cash on it)
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<ari>
making chamfers/fillets manually, and weird artifacts when doing cuts on angled/circular faces also made me switch away from solvespace to freecad
<whitequark[cis]>
has freecad stopped crashing and destroying your work in the process yet?
<whitequark[cis]>
back in like 2014 when i started, it did that three times in a row, after which i resolved to either build something better, or quit CAD forever
<q3k>
i switched around three years ago and it's still janky, but i've never lost data
<ari>
it sometimes crashes for me when changing existing constraints, or when doing chamfers/fillets, but i've never lost more than 5 minutes of changes because of that
<ari>
(and i've grown a habit of ctrl+s'ing before making such changes)
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<Attie[m]>
grumble grumble freecad... I gave it a pretty solid chance, but can relate - multiple times it just ruined my part for unknown reasons
<ari>
face renumbering when making changes "in the past" is still very much a problem
<q3k>
the biggest jank i encounter is a) some operations failing and you only get cryptic opencascade errors in the terminal window b) topological naming, but there's That Fork that is slowly fixing it
<whitequark[cis]>
it actually corrupted the savefile!
<whitequark[cis]>
i found that beyond insulting
<ari>
yeah, that would annoy me
<Attie[m]>
oh! for me it crashed out something, then opened fine, no errors... but that was _not_ what it looked like previously
<ari>
but never happened so far
<Attie[m]>
s/out/or/
<ari>
whitequark[cis]: hope this isn't too personal, but does that mean you're still mostly ok with using (not maintaining) solvespace?
<q3k>
i epxerienced neither silent or explicit savefile corruption
<whitequark[cis]>
ari: nope, gives me a panic attack if i open it
<whitequark[cis]>
i just don't do CAD any more 🙃
<FireFly>
ow :(
<whitequark[cis]>
remember kids: kick out the entitled transphobic scum from your open source project before this happens to you
<whitequark[cis]>
even if they're ukrainian and try to use that to score sympathy points
<whitequark[cis]>
(i hope he gets shot)
<galibert[m]>
solvespace got taken over by transphobic scum?
<whitequark[cis]>
no
<whitequark[cis]>
there was a guy (not a peer, very loud asshole user) who i didn't ban because i made bad decisions in the past, so i burned out on it and quit it entirely
<whitequark[cis]>
he wasn't the only reason but he was a pretty major one
<whitequark[cis]>
later it turned out that he's also a transphobe
<galibert[m]>
because why not add that to general assholery after all
<whitequark[cis]>
though before that the main symptom was just an overwhelming sense of entitlement
<whitequark[cis]>
unhinged feature requests like "port your software to menuetos" or "to symbian"
<q3k>
it's only a succesful open source project if it reliably traumatizes its own maintainers. otherwise it's just a sparkling side project.
<whitequark[cis]>
(for those who don't know, menuetos is a hobby operating system written entirely in assembly. it's not compatible with anything)
<whitequark[cis]>
q3k: hahahahah *sob*
<galibert[m]>
there are interpretations of the name symbian where the request is more amusing than others
<q3k>
regardless it's just telling the maintainer to go fuck themselves
<whitequark[cis]>
anyway, something similar almost happened with amaranth, but i did learn in the end and now take out the trash preemptively
<FireFly>
I mean that feels like a "contributions welcome" kinda angle
<FireFly>
(or well, perhaps not even that)
<whitequark[cis]>
FireFly: his overall approach was basically "harass the maintainers until they yield to whatever it is he wants"
<q3k>
FireFly: there's some sociopaths out there that really don't get hints or even explicit instructions
<whitequark[cis]>
and those feature requests are just a demonstration of how divorced from reality he is
<galibert[m]>
Being one of the main maintainers of Mame we have our share of dumbasses, and honestly the banhammer is a very very good thing
<FireFly>
(the second thought being because even in the unlikely case they'd contribute a port to a niche platform, it'd still add maintenance burden)
<FireFly>
whitequark[cis]: *nod*
<q3k>
with some of my ipod stuff i'm already getting requests like 'write more guides [on how to run something that's just a developer tool and has no use to people who need a guide]'
<whitequark[cis]>
"no" is a complete sentence :)
<galibert[m]>
"mwahahaha no" is a good one too
<FireFly>
I've only had tiny bits of things like that happen fortunately
<FireFly>
and I hope it stays that way..
<q3k>
even 'no' is like speaking to a wall sometimes
<whitequark[cis]>
the second "no" is well followed with a ban
<whitequark[cis]>
coupled with an exposition of why it happened, to inform any onlooker that if they behave the same, the same will happen to them
<ari>
whoops. that opened a bigger can of worms than expected
<whitequark[cis]>
it's pretty cursed how widely applicable "reach heaven by violence" is in a field like OSS development, which has the potential of being extremely low-stakes
<jdek>
q3k: average oss project is entirely fuelled by hate
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<esden[m]>
If you just order a case it “should”™️ ship. Mouser has plenty of them in stock.
<nemanjan00[m]>
I have ordered just a case on Oct 09, 2023
<esden[m]>
Ok that is odd why they have not shipped it then. You should contact CrowdSupply and ask.
<esden[m]>
If it was on its own without a Glasgow then it should be fine to ship. But maybe they are holding general orders back until all the campaign backer stuff is shipped? IDK 🤷
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<josHua[m]>
(after HoRNDIS I told myself I would never release open source software again, and here I am abou tto do this with X1Plus anyway)
<q3k>
josHua[m]: christ what an asshole
<q3k>
fuck i'm mad
<josHua[m]>
I was mostly mad at DJI more than anyone else, but there was one guy who thought he was being useful who demanded for years that I put in the readme that the project was unmaintained
<josHua[m]>
and I was like 'I have done all the work I am going to do on this project for this lifetime. the last commit was 6 years ago, by someone other than me. this should a user everything they need to know. I do not owe anybody anything.'
<josHua[m]>
he eventually got the message and stopped bugging me about it and helpfully started redirecting users, which I found useful
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<galibert[m]>
that reminds me I'm probably going to have to abopt an essentially unmaintained project I find useful
<q3k>
i guess the DJI stuff doesnt surprise me, companies are lawnmowers by definition
<q3k>
it still fucking sucks and my heart bleeds for the poor sods that have to maintain a 25 gigadollar company's shit for free
<q3k>
but that absolute asshole on the issue tracker just got to me somehow
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<ewenmcneill[m]>
FWIW, since it's been about 4 months now, and the cases part of my Glasgow board (1x) and cases (2x) "ship items when available" order still hasn't shipped the cases, I have just asked CrowdSupply via the contact form if they're actually going to ship the cases separately. If there's any useful answer from CrowdSupply, I'll summarise it here.
<ewenmcneill[m]>
(Otherwise in theory my "day two of campaign" Glasgow board should get made sometime in the next month or two and hopefully finally unlock shipping of the cases as well. I too have a "bare board" Glasgow awaiting a case that I'm only using infrequently for that reason; I missed out on an early bird case in the December 2020 launch ordering rush.)