<gundy9558[m]>
I ordered mine as soon as I saw the email, I believe it was the first day, but being on the other side of the world I missed the earlybird. Those spots went quickly! I'm thrilled to see the progress though, and look forward to seeing a bunch of posts from people as they receive theirs. Thanks to the team for your remarkable persistence in getting to this point!
<esden[m]>
Yeah, it was surprisingly quick, and a lot of folks in different time zones missed out on the early bird. I am also very happy we have tangible progress, and we keep chipping away. 🙂 I am looking forward to the reactions too.
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[GlasgowEmbedded/glasgow] ... and 6 more commits.
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<ewenmcneill[m]>
In the warning on the "basic use" page, is there supposed to be a "not" in the sentence "Please be aware that Glasgow device will slowly fade the FX2 LED on and off to indicate that it has been able to establish an USB connection."?
<ewenmcneill[m]>
The following sentence seems to imply that the tip is related to "how you know you've used a power only cable".
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[glasgow] whitequark opened issue #406: Add a flag to `glasgow factory` which indicates that the device has been modified from the original design - https://github.com/GlasgowEmbedded/glasgow/issues/406
<nullun[m]>
Great work @Catherine and everyone who has been involved on it. Glad to finally have it in my hands. Looking forward to having a play with it.
<bvernoux>
that speak about future revision 2 years ago so does it is reflecting what is done today ;)
<whitequark[cis]>
what?
<bvernoux>
but yes the hint speak about Rev C3
<whitequark[cis]>
I literally just added the revD subheading a few hours ago
<bvernoux>
yes IIRC Rev D is not new and was planned long time ago I doubt anyone have interest for that Rev D anyway as the big production will be on Rev C3
<whitequark[cis]>
I have no idea where you took 2 years from
<bvernoux>
from the GitHub
<bvernoux>
let me provide exact dates
<bvernoux>
all is tracked
<whitequark[cis]>
considering that revD was my idea, I don't think you can say with any certainty what was the exact date it was conceived
<whitequark[cis]>
(it wasn't at the time the GitHub issue was created)
<bvernoux>
ok no problem
<whitequark[cis]>
your glitch use case was never described as supported anywhere in the documentation (indeed no one has ever tested it) so you're on your own
<whitequark[cis]>
and you are expected to understand that a single figure of merit does not and cannot "fairly" represent an entire range of a transceiver's performance characteristics
<bvernoux>
yes I have not seen that feature too it is just the idea to use a FPGA for such stuff where MCU have latency and are often slower
<whitequark[cis]>
some are interested in the rise times (which are actually dampened by the inline resistors); some will be interested in the bus performance; some in the current carrying capacity (such as for old-school TTL buses)
<bvernoux>
I clearly doubt more and more people are interested by 5V stuff
<bvernoux>
for Atmega328p obsolete stuff
<bvernoux>
For me it is definitely <= 3v3
<bvernoux>
there is nothing interesting with >3v3
<whitequark[cis]>
well, Glasgow is not produced just for you.
<bvernoux>
Yes of course I just speak about modern stuff using usually 3v3 or less
<whitequark[cis]>
direct TTL interoperability was a design criterion for the current transceiver circuit and it is designed in a corner optimizing for 5V TTL without sacrificing performance elsewhere
<bvernoux>
just for information glasgow-embedded.org support only http and not https
<bvernoux>
It can be a problem for customer to think it is a fake site
<russss>
the (quite modern) LED display panels I'm trying to get working require 5V. Unfortunately glasgow does not have enough I/O so now I need revD. Maybe I will try and hack one of the LED receiver cards.
<whitequark[cis]>
that's a cached redirect on your machine
<bvernoux>
ha yes it's an issue on Firefox
<whitequark[cis]>
the redirect should have been a 302 redirect, however unfortunately esden has set it up as a 301 redirect, causing issues for anyone who has visited the website recently
<esden[m]>
First photo proof of a Glasgow being delivered… https://chaos.social/@vifino/111166537267691572 (or at least the box 😉 ) thanks vifino (@_discord_85465063745400832:catircservices.org) 🙂
<esden[m]>
Ohh ok sorry it was drowned out by all the hit notifications 😦 glad it arrived! 🙂
<esden[m]>
*git
<tpw_rules>
will they let you know when all the early birds go out?
<esden[m]>
🤷♂️ I don’t know but I doubt it
<sven>
I hope the international orders don’t take much longer :)
<esden[m]>
vifino (@_discord_85465063745400832:catircservices.org) is in Germany afaik so his was an internal shipment
<sven>
oh, nice! so I mine could literally be shipped every day now!
<esden[cis]>
<Attie[m]> "oh true, must have been a cached..." <- those other domains are not published, I only told you and Catherine about the other domains, in any documentation only glasgow-embedded.org is used which is the primary one. I will fix the https issue. As for browser caches, they are quite persistent, my firefox is still holding on to CS... I would have to wipe the cache manually.
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<Attie[m]>
oop, apologies
<Attie[m]>
my browser got there after a couple of retries
<dcdb2[m]>
thanks and congratulations to the whole #glasgow team, and thanks in advance to the early birds for their upcoming testing - I'm later in the queue - 🙂
<esden[cis]>
galibert[m]: thanks, I told you the update was on my to-do list ;) now one less item on that said to-do list :D
<esden[cis]>
Thanks dcdb2 :) I am looking forward to the feedback.
<galibert[m]>
it's so beautiful when the todo list gets shorter :-)
<Attie[m]>
🥳 well done!
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<esden[cis]>
I really wish it worked that way... I feel like a to-do list has infinite length and no matter how much you cross off and no matter how satisfying the crossing off is, the list never actually gets shorter :D
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<tuxfool[m]>
I got one of those
<galibert[m]>
Yeah, aleph zero-sized list
<crzwdjk>
Hey, at least it's countable
<galibert[m]>
exactly!
<tuxfool[m]>
if you can track the progress of your todo is it any better?
<esden[cis]>
I mean at least you get the satisfaction of crossing the items off... 🤷
<crzwdjk>
And us customers do appreciate the updates.
<crzwdjk>
I assume now that the early bird units have shipped, there's going to be some time to gather feedback before starting to put together the main batch?
<galibert[m]>
that would make sense
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<esden[m]>
Yeah there will be a bit of a gap but I will be chipping away at what I can in the mean time.
<esden[m]>
I do hope for some constructive feedback.
<esden[m]>
no feedback is also good feedback it means everything is great! 😄
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<thestumbler[m]>
Great job, team. I’ve done small scale manufacturing here in SK in the past, and know well all these little details and headaches. This one was new, however — “design and order safe use instruction cards required by the EU”. Do you mean some kind of card has to be safe in some manner (like non-poisonous inks?), or adding an additional card that contains text describing how to use the product safely?
<thestumbler[m]>
Just curious.
<tpw_rules>
it's the second, i've seen it in some pitures
<esden[m]>
The EU requires that there is "instructions" included in the product. This is why everything you buy comes at least with a microscopic print folded piece of paper that everyone ignores and throws immediately in the trash. 😄
<esden[m]>
the right one. Mouser is ok if it is just English and German... but I have seen some products come with a countless list of languages containing two sentences each.
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<Wanda[cis]>
.... what are approved devices for connecting to glasgow
<Wanda[cis]>
glasgow receptacles, even
<esden[cis]>
hehe... yeah I know... generic jibberjabber
<esden[cis]>
It says later that the devices connected to it should comply with local laws... those are "approved"
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<theorbtwo[m]>
<esden[m]> "The EU requires that there is "..." <- Oh! I didn't know that, makes some sense.
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<q3w3e3[m]>
I'm so excited to get mine... sad I waited so long to get in the queue... kept looking but not having a project I wanted it for... but now I've got projects and am stuck with worse tools
<theorbtwo[m]>
What kept me from getting it wasn't that I didn't have a project for it, but that it's not really neccessary for any of them.
<theorbtwo[m]>
Am also excited to be getitng mine soon, because there's so many things it'll be useful for that I could, in theory, have made dedicated hardware to fiddle with voltage levels and such, but haven't.
<thestumbler[m]>
Got it. Our products originally had a small user manual, around 10+ years ago, but then we switched to just a single quick start page and an online manual, because as you say, people just toss that into the trash.
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<Attie[m]>
isabelburgos: sorry your questions got buried!... please ping me again tomorrow and I'll try to get back to you?