#ffmpeg on 2024-03-13 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

00:02 <BtbN> Run ffmpeg manually, and read its output

00:07 <noobaroo> What do you mean by run it manually? I can't read its output because it closes unexpectedly

00:10 <noobaroo> I was recommended before to use BtBN build (I guess that's you :)) I just see lgpl and shared though, which one of your builds includes nonfree components?

00:10 <BtbN> The terminal only closes because it only belonged to ffmpeg

00:10 <BtbN> open the terminal yourself, and run ffmpeg from it

00:10 <BtbN> then it won't close

00:10 <BtbN> And nonfree by principle cannot be distributed, so you will not find any (legal) builds anywhere.

00:11 <BtbN> The literal only nonfree component there is though is fdk-aac, and that's really not worth the hassle.

00:12 <noobaroo> I did open the terminal myself, I always do. I don't know any other way to run ffmpeg.

00:13 <BtbN> Then it has no right to close itself oO

00:13 <noobaroo> But libfdkaac is better than aac, is it not ?

00:14 <BtbN> so? It's nonfree (for a silly reason, but nonfree nontheless)

00:14 <BtbN> Not worth the hassle

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00:18 <noobaroo> I'm trying rav1e for the first time since svtav1 won't work, but it's running at 0.0887x on speed=7. Is that normal?

00:18 <noobaroo> The wiki says rav1e claims to be the fastest software encoder

00:22 <noobaroo> svtav1 used to work fine, I used to use it all the time, idk what happened

00:23 <BtbN> av1 software encoders are slow, yes

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00:23 <BtbN> Have you tried a different terminal?

00:23 <BtbN> Maybe svt prints something that your main one somehow HATES

00:29 <furq> i think rav1e is singlethreaded unless you set -tiles

00:30 <furq> svt has frame threading so that probably works automatically

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00:36 <noobaroo> Well a different terminal has no issues, I have no idea why this is the case all of the sudden as I have been using the same terminal for months without problems but it is what it is

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00:38 <noobaroo> furq What should I set -tiles to?

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02:06 <ppw> hi

02:07 <ppw> is there a simple way of extracting multiple clips from the same video file if I provide a set of start and end times?

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02:37 <noobaroo> Yes, add "-ss 00:11:00 -to 00:12:00" for example

02:37 <noobaroo> ppw i am a noob myself but that is one thing I do know

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02:41 <Marth64> ```ffmpeg -ss 00:00:01 -to 00:02:00 -i INPUT.mkv -ss 00:05:01 -to 00:09:00 -i INPUT.mkv -ss 00:10:01 -to 00:15:00 -i INPUT.mkv -map 0 -c copy CLIP1_REMUX.mkv -map 1 -c copy CLIP2_REMUX.mkv -map 3 -c copy CLIP4_REMUX.mkv```

02:41 <Marth64> err

02:41 <Marth64> something like that.

02:42 <ppw> ehhh

02:42 <Marth64> basically you define n inputs one for each file, and before each one you put -ss <start> -to <end> then you map em all back out

02:42 <ppw> can't I just feed ffmpeg a text file with timestamps?

02:43 <Marth64> yeah you can script and run it in sequence if that makes it easier to work with

02:44 <Marth64> eg. for each segment: ffmpeg -ss START -to END -i INPUT.mkv -c copy OUTPUT.mkv and repeat this for each of your <START, END> tuples

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02:45 <Marth64> no direct method afaik to say, "here are timestamps go split to n files"

02:45 <Marth64> with just a file sheet of timestamps

02:45 <Marth64> but the CLI interface is forgiving and easy for something like this

02:46 <Marth64> there are ways to give ffmpeg options as a file, i forgot the exact switch

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02:50 <noobaroo> I have an srt file that has the first dialogue start at 17 seconds, but my actual video doesn't start talking until 24 seconds. What's the easiest way to allign the subtitles with the video properly?

02:51 <Marth64> -itsoffset or use SubtitleEdit (2 mins job)

02:51 <Marth64> ffmpeg -itsoffset 5 -i MyFavoriteSubs.srt MyNewSubs.srt

02:52 <noobaroo> Thanks :) You're awesome

02:52 <Marth64> np

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03:09 <ppw> Marth64: would this work? https://bpa.st/O5LQ

03:10 <Marth64> it is different

03:11 <Marth64> your ask (correct me if wrong): how to take 1 video, split different segments of it into individual files

03:11 <Marth64> url: how to take 1 video, pick different segments, and join them to 1 new video

03:12 <Marth64> the document says "extract" but it's not extracting, its concatenating

03:12 <Marth64> does that help?

03:13 <Marth64> i think the author meant to say concatenate / join to one video (which is what they are doing) but used the word extract

03:13 <Marth64> you can validate this by seeing they are using the "concat=" filter ;)

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03:30 <aaabbb> when downsampling from s16 48khz to u8 8khz ("-c:a pcm_u8 -ar 8000"), does ffmpeg's swr use dither by default?

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03:34 <Marth64> aaabbb: i am not too familiar with swr but from reading this, i think probably not. following my train of thought:

03:34 <Marth64> 1) https://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-all.html#Resampler-Options (dither_method) -> Set dither method. Default value is 0.

03:34 <Marth64> 2) https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/blob/master/libswresample/swresample.h#L148 -> dither method 0 is none

03:35 <Marth64> its an educated guess but i am not sure if there is any implied things there aside from what i see

03:36 <aaabbb> Marth64: so for going from s16 48khz to u8 8khz, i should probably manually select dither?

03:37 <Marth64> aaabbb: i would personally explicitly set it, that way it's predictable. i am sorry in advance if my hypothesis is wrong

03:37 <Marth64> i do not do much advanced audio processing

03:37 <furq> dither is off by default

03:41 <aaabbb> furq: then i assume i should be using dither when going down from s16 to u8 for sure :)

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03:43 <aaabbb> is soxr still better than swr?

03:48 <aaabbb> and is there any reason i should use -osf u8 in addition to -c:a pcm_u8 (when saving to a wav)?

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04:13 <aaabbb> ok it looks like it has no effect. i read on redit that it was needed but could not confirm

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05:19 <noobaroo> Is it normal that adding metadata while changing nothing else takes a few minutes to complete?

05:20 <aaabbb> noobaroo: if the file is extremely big and/or your storage medium is slow, yeah

05:20 <aaabbb> post the command you used

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05:36 <noobaroo> aaabbb "ffmpeg -i $V -c copy -metadata:s:s:0 language=english Vida_S01_E01.webm"

05:37 <noobaroo> Also, is it normal that I'm using

05:38 <noobaroo> Oops sorry, pressed enter by accident. Is it normal that I'm using "-b:v 2500k" but the total bitrate of the file comes out to be 1900k and I'm assuming that's including audio, so it's really less than that

05:39 <aaabbb> noobaroo: if you're doing -b:v then you're transcoding, not just changing metadata. and yes that's normal. you really want to use 2pass instead of a single pass

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05:39 <noobaroo> Two separate questions, I showed you the command I used to change metadata

05:40 <aaabbb> "ffmpeg -an -i in.mp4 -c:v libx264 -b:v 2500k -pass 1 -f null - && ffmpeg -i in.mp4 -c:v libx264 -b:v 2500k -pass 2 out.mp4" (example if you're using libx264)

05:40 <aaabbb> if you don't use 2pass then the accuracy of your abr setting will be low, and the quality can also suffer, especially at the beginning

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05:41 <noobaroo> Earlier, JEEB told me 2 pass doesn't provide any benefit except in libvpx-vp9

05:41 <aaabbb> noobaroo: the command you gave should complete very very fast unless it is very large file. if it's not, then paste the entire thing to bpa.st

05:42 <aaabbb> he probably means it doesn't give any benefit compared to crf (tho that's technically not true for x264, it gives a miniscule benefit for more accurate direct=auto decisions)

05:42 <aaabbb> what codec are you using?

05:43 <noobaroo> He said this: https://bpa.st/VTEQ

05:43 <noobaroo> I'm using libsvtav1 and it doesn't support 2 pass :( Usually I use 2 pass with libx265

05:44 <aaabbb> he's right, it doesn't improve compression efficiency (i think av1 can get better compression efficiency with 2pass? not sure)

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05:45 <aaabbb> but it does improve the accuracy of decision making which improves quality and gives you a more accurate average bitrate

05:45 <noobaroo> libsvtav1 doesn't support 2 pass in ffmpeg :(

05:45 <aaabbb> are you sure? you can't use -svtav1-params to do 2pass?

05:45 <aaabbb> noobaroo: JEEB said "you wouldn't need 2pass for the non-ABR case", but if you are using -b:v, you are doing abr

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05:47 <noobaroo> Actually now that I think again, it may work. It was killing my terminal window every time I tried to use -svtav1-params for 2 pass, but I just had the same problem today while using 1 pass libsvtav1 and I discovered using a different terminal program worked fine

05:47 <noobaroo> I'll try again with this new terminal

05:49 <aaabbb> i have no idea if it supports 2pass in ffmpeg, i rarely use libsvtav1

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05:51 <aaabbb> in general though, with the exception of libvpx-vp9, maybe libaom-av1, and libx265 if you're enabling specific options like multi-pass-opt-distortion, the only major benefit from 2pass is more accurate abr. libx264 has a tiny tiny benefit because it can use more temporal direct mvs in 2pass mode, but the benefit is microscopic (and not worth the extra encode time)

05:54 <noobaroo> I'm going to wait for the current command to finish before I see if 2 pass works on this new terminal. I don't want to run too many things at once

05:54 <galad> libsvtav1 uses three pass

05:55 <noobaroo> So for libx265 and libsvtav1, does 2 pass provide higher quality at 2500kbps?

05:55 <galad> But the implementation in ffmpeg doesn’t support it

05:56 <aaabbb> noobaroo: for libx265, it allows you to enable options that can improve quality. it does not improve quality on its own

05:56 <galad> Next version of svtav1 will require only 2, so it will be easier to integrate it in ffmpeg

05:56 <aaabbb> s/quality/compression efficiency/

05:56 <noobaroo> Aw, that's disappointing. I see 3 passes on https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1/-/blob/master/Docs/Parameters.md#multi-pass-options But it's weird because -pass can be 1 2 or 3, but -passes can only be 1 or 2.

05:57 <aaabbb> noobaroo: because 1 means "one-pass" and 2 means "multi-pass"

05:57 <noobaroo> Oh okay. Too bad ffmpeg doesn't support it

05:57 <aaabbb> is there a reason you need to use abr?

05:58 <noobaroo> I have limited storage space

05:58 <aaabbb> you should use crf then

05:58 <aaabbb> unless you want to match an exact file size

05:58 <noobaroo> So is it normal that -b:v 2500k makes the file less than 1900k?

05:58 <aaabbb> it's normal that single pass abr has badly fluctuating quality and comes out with an inaccurate average bitrate, yes

06:00 <aaabbb> the reason is that the encoder cannot tell what the rest of the video is like. it can look ahead a little bit but if it sees let's say 20 seconds of calm, it might try to average your 2500k, but then the video has 20 seconds of action, now it's screwed because it has no "surplus" of bits to use

06:00 <aaabbb> with 2pass it essentially has infinite lookahead and can say "ok i'll give 1500k to the first calm scene and 3500k to the second action-packed scene"

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06:03 <aaabbb> by action-packed i mean requiring a higher bitrate for good quality, and by calm i mean requiring lower bitrate

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15:45 <evilscreww> i just dont get what im doing wrong here

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