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<ShaedS>
hey can someone sumbit a pull request so I can use -ss and -to hh:mm:ss:frame# ? cause needing to use an online webtool to convert from frame count to miliseconds is such a pain in the ass....
<JEEB>
if you need frame-exactness, check ffms2
<ShaedS>
i do, but i've been converting fames to miliseconds
<ShaedS>
ffmpeg -i IMG_5765.mov -filter:v "setpts=0.5*PTS" -an IMG_5765-60fps.mov didn't turn my highspeed 120fps video into 60fps...
<ShaedS>
i checked again, and it's actually sourced to 158.01 FPS... how do I convert this to 'full speed' ?
<ShaedS>
ffmpeg -itsscale 0.01666 -i input.mkv -c copy output.mkv i'm trying this but with -an, i read audio problems can arrisse, but i drop in my own audio after so it's not a problem..
<ShaedS>
ahh that didn't work either, it's a 17 minute vidoe it should be 57~
<noobaroo>
Which do you guys use, libsvtav1 or rav1e?
<ShaedS>
any ideas how to quickly convert this 120/158.01 fps video into full speed?
<JEEB>
noobaroo: generally svt-av1, but do check if rav1e fits your speed/quality envelope
<noobaroo>
JEEB I just wish ffmpeg+libsvtav1 supported 2 pass encoding. libaom-av1 supports 2 pass, But I was getting a ridiculously slow encode at something like 0.002x
<noobaroo>
ShaedS I don't know, sorry
<JEEB>
I don't need specific file sizes so I don't care about 2pass :P
<ShaedS>
JEEB: any ideas how to change the playback spee dof this video to 'full speed' ? it seems like it shoudl be easier than it's turning otu to be
<ShaedS>
every iteration of the command gives me a speed that's not what i wanted
<ShaedS>
im running the slower version again...
<noobaroo>
Well I only have two 500GB drives and one of them is already filled up. Do you recommend libsvtav1, rav1e, or libx265 for the best quality for 1080p videos less than 3mbps?
<ShaedS>
Stream #0:0(und): Video: h264 (Main) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuvj420p(pc, smpte170m/smpte432/bt709), 1280x720 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 7339 kb/s, 30 fps, 30 tbr, 2400 tbn, 4800 tbc (default => this is just not true, the video is NOT 30fps....
<ShaedS>
why don't you archive content to disc?
<JEEB>
noobaroo: at least in the x264 original CRF and average bit rate were just different sides of the same coin. so both give you the same compression efficiency, but one is geared at "I don't care about the quality, give me a specific average bit rate" and another is geared at "I don't care about the size, just give me a specific amount of compression (rate factor)"
<JEEB>
2pass just optimizes the average bit rate case for the best CRF possible
<ShaedS>
yeah the longer you took to encode, the smaller the file size would be
<JEEB>
and CRF does not need to optimize since you already gave it the value :P
<JEEB>
the only encoder I know where 2pass actually gave better compression efficiency is libvpx vp9, but that had nothing to do with 2pass, but that for whatever reason Google people disabled specific tools in 1pass mode.
<JEEB>
so if you patched the code to enable those tools you wouldn't need 2pass for the non-ABR case
<noobaroo>
So 2pass libx265 ABR doesn't help compared to single pass libx265 ABR?
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<JEEB>
what I meant is that if you just care about compression efficiency and not about getting an exact ABR, then you don't need 2pass. if you need an exact ABR then sucks to be you.
<noobaroo>
I'm confused, getting the desired ABR for me is about getting the best compression effiency possible
<JEEB>
think of ABR just finding the CRF that gives you a specific ABR. at least in the original x264 as I said they were two sides of the same coin
<JEEB>
compression efficiency is the same
<noobaroo>
Okay. Well on a different note, is there a way to crop a video without re-encoding? I'm getting the error: "Filtering and streamcopy cannot be used together"
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<JEEB>
for various formats there's bit stream cropping which you can utilize a bsf for (think of stuff like cropping 1920x1088 coded image with H.264 [because H.264 works in 16x16 blocks] to 1920x1080). larger cropping is possible with MP4 and Matroska, but player support can be fun
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<ShaedS>
i have cropped with ffmpeg it's great it'll do it fast if ou pass the right command
<ShaedS>
what i'm having a hard time doing 'fast' is getting this slow mo video to play at full speed
<noobaroo>
Is mp4 a bigger container than mkv? I think I have copied the stream over but the new mp4 file is 0.8MB bigger than the old mkv file
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<noobaroo>
Also are there any downsides to changing the container when using "-c copy"? Anything I should know about?
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<dv_>
or https://repository.essex.ac.uk/22400/1/CET10047-20130730-115119-8719-10969.pdf - "One advantage of forced IR is that it provides a natural channel-swapping (or zapping) point at the start of each refresh cycle, just as periodic I-frames provided. If for channel swapping, Gradual Decoder Refresh (GDR) is performed instead of periodic refresh then growing the refresh area from an isolated region
<dv_>
is preferable to random MB refresh, as the subjective visual effect is better.
<dv_>
"
<dv_>
sounds to me like GDR is a form of intra refresh where the intra macroblocks are arranged in rows / columns that gradually sweep over the frame
<JEEB>
that is what intra refresh generally does; it slices the picture and within a certain refresh period you get that slice also refreshe
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<dv_>
hmm that paper mentions random MB refresh thp
<dv_>
*tho
<dv_>
so, that would be another approach
<dv_>
and, I have also read about cyclic intra refresh, which sounds very similar to GDR
<dv_>
this is ... confusing. perhaps multiple names for the same concept?
<JEEB>
wouldn't be surprised. possibly with each author's own idea of how to do it :P
<dv_>
to add to the confusion, I have an encoder here whose API has cyclic intra refresh fields, GDR fields, *and* fields for defining forced intra MB aras
<dv_>
*areas
<dv_>
so ... whew
<dv_>
ffmpeg's encoder does intra refresh in a left-right sweeping fashion, right?
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<evilscreww>
Hello all
<evilscreww>
So is there a way to be sure that my output was indeed lossless from the original during the conversation
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<BtbN>
As long as you don't transcode, it's lossless.
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<another|>
hash ?
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<evilscreww>
20:08 <JEEB> mpeg-ts is just useful for live streaming since it's literally a string of 188 byte packets and headers get periodically re-sent
<evilscreww>
right
<evilscreww>
thank you for the tip
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<evilscreww>
19:51 <CounterPillow> why would the container be "hardware intensive"
<evilscreww>
well i was told to convert my mp4 files to ts before i concatenate them
<evilscreww>
so i figure there was less actual encoding
<aaabbb>
evilscreww: that's a stream copy, cntainers are not hardware intensive
<aaabbb>
that's just needed for the concat protocol
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<heksa>
hi, having issue with encoding pcm to aac in mp4 container. the issue is that after transcoding the audio duration is 20ms to long. Tried to apply -ignore_editlist true however this does not seem to help. Any ideas what to try next?
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<furq>
heksa: there's probably nothing you can do about that
<evilscreww>
aaabbb: i was attempting to do the usual method on my phone - convert to ts then concat. seemed to work fine, however my video ended up lop sided
<evilscreww>
is there a special input to maintain rotation data
<furq>
an aac stream will always be a multiple of 1024 (or occasionally 960) samples long
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<heksa>
furq: ok. seen some sample files with exaclty right length. it could be that they are out of spec..maybe. trying to make a file exacly 20sec long. not 20sec 20ms. the extra 20ms is seen in mediainfo field "Source duration".
<heksa>
what about the the following: i execute "ffmpeg -ignore_editlist 1 -i input.mxf out.mp4" and get error "Option ignore_editlist not found."
<JEEB>
you're trying to set a mov/mp4/etc reader specific option to an MXF input :P
<heksa>
ok admitting status of noob here :) is there a way to make a mezzanine file and somehow apply the ignore edit list option there somehow?
<JEEB>
I don't think you understand what ignore_edit_list means
<JEEB>
priming samples are going to be there unless the encoder very specifically makes the priming samples go over N packets so that they then get cut by the encoder.
<heksa>
read somewhere that it would drop the atom to address the "audio to long" issue.
<JEEB>
edit lists is a way (one of like 4 or so) to signal in an MP4-like container that btw you should cut off this and this much after decoding and for presentation :P
<JEEB>
specifically ignoring that information means that you're reading the MP4 file while ignoring this presentation related information, nothing more
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<aaabbb>
evilscreww: only one of the concatenated videos was "lopsided" or was the whole thing?
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<evilscreww>
aaabbb: all of it
<evilscreww>
but full disclosure: i used ffmpeg for android on my phone
<evilscreww>
and it was last updated august 23
<aaabbb>
evilscreww: if it's all, then that's good news. you can set the rotate metadata to fix it
<evilscreww>
i mean 2023
<evilscreww>
aaabbb: well, i dont think thats all. now im not sure if it had a lossy effect on quality or not. it shouldnt have tho, it converted very very quickly, it didnt "seem" like a slow re-encode
<evilscreww>
but surely theres a retain original rotation metadata setting?
<aaabbb>
evilscreww: you can put that metadata back in manually, and it's lossless
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<evilscreww>
alright give me the switch/syntax command for that
<evilscreww>
im surprised there isnt just some simple command to retain rotation data *while* you originally remux it
<aaabbb>
still trying to convince work to upgrade. and yes even the transcoding machines are running that lol
<JEEB>
evilscreww: I think that's the default
<evilscreww>
does hollywood use ffmpeg?
<aaabbb>
yes they do
<evilscreww>
interesting. thats good i guess.
<aaabbb>
hollywood isn't one thing but ffmpeg in various forms is used in professional settings
<JEEB>
well good in sense that I get asked for help by people that most likely get paid 3-5 times more than I do :P
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<evilscreww>
btw there is a discord server for ffmpeg help and support too if ou annt throw it into the title
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<evilscreww>
maybe take a bit of load off
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<aaabbb>
ew discord
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<evilscreww>
it has the sublime advantage of offline messaging
<evilscreww>
ask your query, and 45 min later someone may see it and then you get a response
<evilscreww>
you can go and brush your teeth or eat dinner in the mean time
<aaabbb>
irc has that too. it's called znc
<evilscreww>
zinc?
<aaabbb>
znc
<aaabbb>
a bouncer
<evilscreww>
do i have to pay for that shit
<aaabbb>
there are paid znc servers but there are also free ones
<evilscreww>
theres always a catch with the free ones
<another|>
then pay for it
<aaabbb>
the catch is that you are only connected for like 3 days at a time or something
<evilscreww>
hrm better than nothing. which is pretty much what i got atm
<aaabbb>
so if you're offline for a week, you might miss stuff
<aaabbb>
but if the goal is to get on the next day and see what people said, free is fine
<evilscreww>
ill have to look into it then.
<evilscreww>
are there tons of ads
<aaabbb>
no
<evilscreww>
a "bouncer" just saves a log of the channel right
<evilscreww>
in the cloud up there
<aaabbb>
pretty much, it keeps connected for you. anyway this is a topic for another channel since ffmpeg, while being very powerful, ddoes not have a bouncer built in ;)
<evilscreww>
faaaair call.
<evilscreww>
i do need to focus on it atm anyway too
<evilscreww>
there are many intricacies to this
<evilscreww>
i probably butchered the spelling of that
<evilscreww>
there seems to be *many* gui programs out there that can take any video format and convert it to another. however, none of them seem to have a lossless option
<aaabbb>
that's because transcoding is not lossless
<evilscreww>
well i mean, container to container remuxing
<aaabbb>
ah
<evilscreww>
like what im doing with mp4 to mpg-ts
<evilscreww>
or mpeg-ts if we wanna be really strict about things
<evilscreww>
i think, like usb-c, theyre trying to move the world to a standard video format like hecv
<evilscreww>
or codec or whatever
<aaabbb>
standards change
<evilscreww>
-metadata:s:v:0
<evilscreww>
whats this one do
<evilscreww>
maintain metadata?
<JEEB>
also if you had mpeg-ts there in the middle, guess which container has no rotation metadata :P
<JEEB>
that sets a key-value metadata pair
<JEEB>
for the first video stream
<JEEB>
do note that it might no longer work with current FFmpeg :P
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<JEEB>
seems like mp4 writer stopped taking in the rotate value since March 2021 :P
<evilscreww>
ok, btw, i dont need to remux the mpeg-ts file back into a mp4 file do i? i can just upload direct to youtube?
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<BtbN>
Welp, seems like it's time to bump the system requirements for the builds. The ancient glibc from Ubuntu 16.04 a) does not build anymore with modern build tools and b) does not supports a lot of C11 features that ffmpeg and dependencies start to depend on.
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<BtbN>
The minimum glibc seems to be 2.28, for threads.h support. Which is also what RHEL/CentOS8 seem to use.
<BtbN>
So that's gonna be the new minimum.
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<CounterPillow>
If it were old Windows instead of old Ubuntu you'd get people trying to get Nintendo to take you down over this move.
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<lavaball>
intrac, you there?
<lavaball>
oh, wrong channel. my bad.
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<noobaroo>
I'm trying to encode using libsvtav1 and the whole terminal window just closes once I start the process. It used to work fine for me, I don't know what I'm doing differently